Last January 14 and 15 I sent two msg to this group (http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-January/043424.html and http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-January/043428.html), asking for the creation of a Wikipedia in Tetum language, one of the two official languages of Timor-Leste (or East Timor), the youngest

nation in the world (the other official language is Portuguese). In the meantime, this project got 15 supporters, 8 of them native-speakers of Tetum (see:

15_support_.5B8_native_speakers.5D.29). Subsequently, I created a test page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/tet) that presently has a dozen articles in Tetum and a few others in the process of being translated to Tetum. Anyway, I find it difficult to attract Tetum-speaking people to work in a Wikipedia that is still in a test phase. So, I wonder if any developer can inform me if this new language version of Wikipedia is about to the set up or not. I'm absolutely convinced the Wikipedia in Tetum is viable, and that it can be an exceptional tool for East-Timorese to promote their national

internally and abroad. And I'm not alone in this feeling. Giuseppe

said in a subsequent msg: "One can't understate what such a venture [the creation of a Wikipedia in Tetum] would do to the self-esteem of a whole people. It will take a while to get going, given their problems with basic infrastructure, but I am certain that it would eventually succeed. There

also likely to be a thriving community of Tetum speakers in nearby Darwin, where they are likely to have better infrastructure - it's just a case of getting the message through to them." I will do my best to get the message to the East-Timorese in Australia, in Portugal, in Indonesia, etc. -- as well as in East Timor. But, first of

you [the developers] gotta set up this new Wikipedia. Plz let me know where are we standing of this. Thanks & regards, Manuel de Sousa

Mark, Portuguese is the second official language of East Timor and is regarded

a reference for Tetum. In the official Tetum, a huge amount of vocabulary comes directly from Portuguese. Another reason is that, as far as I know, several of the supporters of

project are Timorese university students studying in Portugal. So, the

way, would be to go to the Portuguese Wikipedia and copy a few articles,

order to translate them later. Anyway, in the case of a testpage certain experiences must be tolerated. Things will be different once the Tetum Wikipedia becomes real... Regards, Manuel de Sousa -----Mensagem original----- De: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] Em nome de Mark Williamson Enviada: quinta-feira, 9 de Março de 2006 3:30 Para: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Assunto: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for Tetum language - reminder One thing I noticed is that most of the testpages are in Portuguese. Why? Mark On 08/03/06, Manuel de Sousa <manuel.sousa(a)tvtel.pt> wrote: > Last January 14 and 15 I sent two msg to this group >

> and >

independent > nation in the world (the other official language is Portuguese). > > In the meantime, this project got 15 supporters, 8 of them

> 15_support_.5B8_native_speakers.5D.29). > > Subsequently, I created a test page > (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/tet) that presently has a dozen > articles in Tetum and a few others in the process of being translated to > Tetum. > > Anyway, I find it difficult to attract Tetum-speaking people to work in

> Wikipedia that is still in a test phase. So, I wonder if any developer

> inform me if this new language version of Wikipedia is about to the set

> or not. > > I'm absolutely convinced the Wikipedia in Tetum is viable, and that it

language d'Angelo > said in a subsequent msg: "One can't understate what such a venture [the > creation of a Wikipedia in Tetum] would do to the self-esteem of a whole > people. It will take a while to get going, given their problems with

is > also likely to be a thriving community of Tetum speakers in nearby

> where they are likely to have better infrastructure - it's just a case

> getting the message through to them." > > I will do my best to get the message to the East-Timorese in Australia,

all, > you [the developers] gotta set up this new Wikipedia. > > Plz let me know where are we standing of this. > > Thanks & regards, > Manuel de Sousa

Yes, thanks. Mark On 09/03/06, Manuel de Sousa <manuel.sousa(a)tvtel.pt> wrote: -- "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

Hoi, For your information, formally Mark does not have authority. There are few people who are seen to be authorortive. He is however one of the people who knows a lot about what languages are. In this case the point he made was great. I was accepted as such. Now, when you complain about Mark, I want to point out two things; * What is your authority on this subject that you challenge him?

* You may have noticed that Mark has been really good in not going overboard lately.

Most often I welcome the points that Mark makes. Certainly when he makes his point once they are the best that can be heard. As to the Moldovan fracas, it has definetly not been the worst project that we have seen. Some projects were / are much worse. They are just not that "in the public eye". Thanks, GerardM On 3/9/06, Silas Snider <swsnider(a)gmail.com> wrote: Question: What authority do you, Mark, have over the creation of a new wikipedia? Are you a developer? I don't seem to ever see you contributing patches, etc. on wikitech-l. In fact, almost all the posts that I can see of yours involve some kind of discussion over orthography or languages in various wikipedias, especially when discussing closing one. My point is: on what grounds do you consider it your job to be the arbiter of when a proposal for wikipedia creation is good enough? Sincerely, Silas Snider Mark Williamson wrote: >>> Yes, thanks. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On 09/03/06, Manuel de Sousa <manuel.sousa(a)tvtel.pt> wrote: >>>> I understand you point of view, Mark. >>>> >>>> I'll try to get this fixed and will come back again within a month, or so. >>>> Does this seem fair to you? >>>> >>>> Thanks & regards, >>>> Manuel de Sousa >>>> >>>> -----Mensagem original----- >>>> De: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org >>>> [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] Em nome de Mark Williamson >>>> Enviada: quinta-feira, 9 de Março de 2006 3:50 >>>> Para: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >>>> Assunto: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for Tetum language - reminder >>>> >>>> I know that Portuguese is th esecond official language of East Timor. >>>> >>>> That's not what I asked. >>>> >>>> It doesn't inspire confidence that most of the pages in the test wiki >>>> are in Portuguese, when you are requesting a Wikipedia for Tetum. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On 08/03/06, Manuel de Sousa <manuel.sousa(a)tvtel.pt> wrote: >>>>> Mark, >>>>> Portuguese is the second official language of East Timor and is regarded >>>> as >>>>> a reference for Tetum. In the official Tetum, a huge amount of vocabulary >>>>> comes directly from Portuguese. >>>>> >>>>> Another reason is that, as far as I know, several of the supporters of >>>> this >>>>> project are Timorese university students studying in Portugal. So, the >>>> easy >>>>> way, would be to go to the Portuguese Wikipedia and copy a few articles, >>>> in >>>>> order to translate them later. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, in the case of a testpage certain experiences must be tolerated. >>>>> Things will be different once the Tetum Wikipedia becomes real... >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Manuel de Sousa >>>>> >>>>> -----Mensagem original----- >>>>> De: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org >>>>> [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] Em nome de Mark Williamson >>>>> Enviada: quinta-feira, 9 de Março de 2006 3:30 >>>>> Para: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >>>>> Assunto: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for Tetum language - reminder >>>>> >>>>> One thing I noticed is that most of the testpages are in Portuguese. Why? >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On 08/03/06, Manuel de Sousa <manuel.sousa(a)tvtel.pt> wrote: >>>>>> Last January 14 and 15 I sent two msg to this group >>>>>> >>>> (http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-January/043424.html >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>> http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-January/043428.html), >>>>>> asking for the creation of a Wikipedia in Tetum language, one of the two >>>>>> official languages of Timor-Leste (or East Timor), the youngest >>>>> independent >>>>>> nation in the world (the other official language is Portuguese). >>>>>> >>>>>> In the meantime, this project got 15 supporters, 8 of them >>>> native-speakers >>>>>> of Tetum (see: >>>>>> >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages#Tetum_.28 >>>>>> 15_support_.5B8_native_speakers.5D.29). >>>>>> >>>>>> Subsequently, I created a test page >>>>>> (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/tet) that presently has a dozen >>>>>> articles in Tetum and a few others in the process of being translated to >>>>>> Tetum. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, I find it difficult to attract Tetum-speaking people to work in >>>> a >>>>>> Wikipedia that is still in a test phase. So, I wonder if any developer >>>> can >>>>>> inform me if this new language version of Wikipedia is about to the set >>>> up >>>>>> or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm absolutely convinced the Wikipedia in Tetum is viable, and that it >>>> can >>>>>> be an exceptional tool for East-Timorese to promote their national >>>>> language >>>>>> internally and abroad. And I'm not alone in this feeling. Giuseppe >>>>> d'Angelo >>>>>> said in a subsequent msg: "One can't understate what such a venture [the >>>>>> creation of a Wikipedia in Tetum] would do to the self-esteem of a whole >>>>>> people. It will take a while to get going, given their problems with >>>> basic >>>>>> infrastructure, but I am certain that it would eventually succeed. There >>>>> is >>>>>> also likely to be a thriving community of Tetum speakers in nearby >>>> Darwin, >>>>>> where they are likely to have better infrastructure - it's just a case >>>> of >>>>>> getting the message through to them." >>>>>> >>>>>> I will do my best to get the message to the East-Timorese in Australia, >>>> in >>>>>> Portugal, in Indonesia, etc. -- as well as in East Timor. But, first of >>>>> all, >>>>>> you [the developers] gotta set up this new Wikipedia. >>>>>> >>>>>> Plz let me know where are we standing of this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks & regards, >>>>>> Manuel de Sousa >>>> -- >>>> "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikipedia-l mailing list >>>> Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >>>> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikipedia-l mailing list >>>> Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >>>> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikipedia-l mailing list >>> Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >>>

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Put simply, I don't. I have no real authority. However, I do know that I have some sway, because different people have varying degrees of respect for me in the matter of languages. There are certainly those who don't trust me at all or who think I don't know much of anything at all about languages, but I think most people believe that I know quite a bit about languages but at the same time have problems with other things about me so they take most of my opinions/advice under advisement. If some developer wants to create a Tetum WP immediately, I have no say in that. However, I'm pretty sure that the Wikimedia community as a whole will have much more enthusiasm for the creation of a Tetum Wikipedia if its test-wiki is more vibrant and is in 100% Tetum. newcomer. Before the Moldovan controversy, there was almost never any discussion about closing Wikis, given that the only 2 that have been closed so far are Toki Pona and Klingon. I'm not sure what's wrong, though, with the fact that almost all of my posts are about languages -- is that a bad thing? Certainly, if you look at other posters, many of them tend to have areas of particular interest as well.

Who said I do consider it my job? Besides you, that is.

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Put simply, I don't. I have no real authority. However, I do know that I have some sway, because different people have varying degrees of respect for me in the matter of languages. There are certainly those who don't trust me at all or who think I don't know much of anything at all about languages, but I think most people believe that I know quite a bit about languages but at the same time have problems with other things about me so they take most of my opinions/advice under advisement. If some developer wants to create a Tetum WP immediately, I have no say in that. However, I'm pretty sure that the Wikimedia community as a whole will have much more enthusiasm for the creation of a Tetum Wikipedia if its test-wiki is more vibrant and is in 100% Tetum. newcomer. Before the Moldovan controversy, there was almost never any discussion about closing Wikis, given that the only 2 that have been closed so far are Toki Pona and Klingon. I'm not sure what's wrong, though, with the fact that almost all of my posts are about languages -- is that a bad thing? Certainly, if you look at other posters, many of them tend to have areas of particular interest as well.

Who said I do consider it my job? Besides you, that is.

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70.58.114.75 24.251.68.75 If you don't close rapidly and respect the decision of the vote concerning the DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA this is the result: disruptive personal attacks from Mark addressed to other users. future civilization <future_civilization(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Several IPs coming from Phoenix, Arizona (home address of Mark W.) made several edits (and also several personal attacks) on Moldovan Wikipedia thus breaking the result of the vote to delete the Moldovan Wikipedia and decision taken to freeze/or to rapidly delete this wikipedia made here. A ban for Mark for about a month maybe will chill him out and stop him from doing disruptive edits any more. A respect for the result of the vote would be too much from him as he immediately lounched himself in personal attacks. There is no more talking about this Moldovan Wikipedia, people decided to close and delete it. Now, its your job to do it and respect the decision. There was a vote for a long period of time: one month. Everybody had the chance to express himself and now the result of the vote shows very clear: people want DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA. Now, put this in practice. future civilization wrote: Yes, indeed. Mark doesn't have any authority and/or credibility, as himself admits. He is very interested in closing/opening any wikipedia but he uses a very disruptive language towards the new users. This disruptive language shows his limited comprehension on wikipedias in various languages. In this way he discourage people who are enthusiast to close/open new wikipedias. He has no power to decide for such a decision at the very least he wants to ask for attention. Maybe this is explained by his early age in life. You can't have any authority having only 16-17 years. His style is to demolish everything and has a strongly counter-effect, a strong negative one on what happens in Wikipedia. I checked his blocking log and shows a mean, very strong negative behaviour. You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel. I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them. Silas Snider wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mark Williamson wrote: No, its not a bad thing, I was just trying to establish why I thought you were not a developer (in case it turned out that you were). You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel. I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them. Sincerely, Silas Snider _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

This looks like a good time for the list moderator to step in. Who is currently administering this mailing list? ~Mark Ryan

70.58.114.75 24.251.68.75 If you don't close rapidly and respect the decision of the vote concerning the DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA this is the result: disruptive personal attacks from Mark addressed to other users. future civilization <future_civilization(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Several IPs coming from Phoenix, Arizona (home address of Mark W.) made several edits (and also several personal attacks) on Moldovan Wikipedia thus breaking the result of the vote to delete the Moldovan Wikipedia and decision taken to freeze/or to rapidly delete this wikipedia made here. A ban for Mark for about a month maybe will chill him out and stop him from doing disruptive edits any more. A respect for the result of the vote would be too much from him as he immediately lounched himself in personal attacks. There is no more talking about this Moldovan Wikipedia, people decided to close and delete it. Now, its your job to do it and respect the decision. There was a vote for a long period of time: one month. Everybody had the chance to express himself and now the result of the vote shows very clear: people want DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA. Now, put this in practice. future civilization wrote: Yes, indeed. Mark doesn't have any authority and/or credibility, as himself admits. He is very interested in closing/opening any wikipedia but he uses a very disruptive language towards the new users. This disruptive language shows his limited comprehension on wikipedias in various languages. In this way he discourage people who are enthusiast to close/open new wikipedias. He has no power to decide for such a decision at the very least he wants to ask for attention. Maybe this is explained by his early age in life. You can't have any authority having only 16-17 years. His style is to demolish everything and has a strongly counter-effect, a strong negative one on what happens in Wikipedia. I checked his blocking log and shows a mean, very strong negative behaviour. You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel. I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them. Silas Snider wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mark Williamson wrote: No, its not a bad thing, I was just trying to establish why I thought you were not a developer (in case it turned out that you were). You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel. I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them. Sincerely, Silas Snider _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

You see Jake, you have to speak with Mark about it. He seems not to understand and not to accept a free, democratic vote on the DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA. His tone of his messages have been utterly unacceptable. Why doesn't he respect the vote? Absolute majority of the users have voted for DELETION. This marky didn't even vote against it.

Several IPs coming from Phoenix, Arizona (home address of Mark W.) made several edits (and also several personal attacks) on Moldovan Wikipedia thus breaking the result of the vote to delete the Moldovan Wikipedia and decision taken to freeze/or to rapidly delete this wikipedia made here. A ban for Mark for about a month maybe will chill him out and stop him from doing disruptive edits any more. A respect for the result of the vote would be too much from him as he immediately lounched himself in personal attacks. There is no more talking about this Moldovan Wikipedia, people decided to close and delete it. Now, its your job to do it and respect the decision. There was a vote for a long period of time: one month. Everybody had the chance to express himself and now the result of the vote shows very clear: people want DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA. Now, put this in practice. future civilization wrote: Yes, indeed. Mark doesn't have any authority and/or credibility, as himself admits. He is very interested in closing/opening any wikipedia but he uses a very disruptive language towards the new users. This disruptive language shows his limited comprehension on wikipedias in various languages. In this way he discourage people who are enthusiast to close/open new wikipedias. He has no power to decide for such a decision at the very least he wants to ask for attention. Maybe this is explained by his early age in life. You can't have any authority having only 16-17 years. His style is to demolish everything and has a strongly counter-effect, a strong negative one on what happens in Wikipedia. I checked his blocking log and shows a mean, very strong negative behaviour. You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel. I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them. Silas Snider wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mark Williamson wrote: No, its not a bad thing, I was just trying to establish why I thought you were not a developer (in case it turned out that you were). You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel. I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them. Sincerely, Silas Snider _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

No only that Marky and try not to play who's the smart around here. You breake the decision taken by Anthere here where she told you to stop editing and respecting the result of the vote. You're not allowed to edit that wikipedia again? Do you understand this? There was a vote about it, I don't care if you didn't vote or not. Many other people voted and now its time for you to accept it. It's so hard for you to accept this? You must accept Anthere's decision and don't you ever edit that wikipedia again. You russian anti-romanian. Mark Williamson wrote: The edits to which Mr Civilization is referring are a number of articles I created, for example http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997 Now, the last time I checked, creation of stub articles is hardly a bannable offence. Mark On 10/03/06, future civilization wrote: -- "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

Please stop feeding this "future civilization" troll and ban him from the mailing list. /Andreas

Andreas Vilén wrote: Future civilization has been banned from wikipedia-l for more than 24 hours Andreas. ant _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l