On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote:
> What are the articles this person has been changing?
For 66.108.155.126:
20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet
20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root
20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
For 208.24.115.6:
20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
For 141.157.232.26:
20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements.
Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker.
For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist
and look at the contribs.
--mav
Dear all,
Most of you would be aware of some of the discussions that have occurred
around Wikipedia in the Norwegian languages. Since the last round of
discussions on this list, there has been a lot of internal debate, as
well as what seems to be a fairly widely accepted agreement following
voting.
This e-mail intends to, after a brief recap on Norwegian language and
wikipedia issues, take those interested through the latest development
and will stake out the road ahead. It is also intended to inform the
international community about the current agreement on no.wikipedia, so
as to prevent misunderstandings in the future.
Finally, we will mention an unfortunate reaction to the vote by a small
number of users at the Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål (no:) wikipedia who want
to disregard the result of the voting and are planning to create a
_third_ Norwegian wikipedia with the sole mission of mixing the contents
of the two current Norwegian versions.
== A short language history of Norway ==
Spoken Norwegian ("norsk") (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "no") is in a fairly
unique situation compared to most other languages of the world in that
it has two widely accepted written standards, Bokmål (ISO 639-2 alpha-2
code "nb") and Nynorsk (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "nn"). By national
legislation they are both regarded as official written forms of
Norwegian. In addition, many people still make a distinction between
Bokmål and its precursor which still is in use, Riksmål.
Briefly speaking, Bokmål and Riksmål are descendants of the Danish
written language. Until the 1800s, Danish was the only widely used
written language in Norway as a result of four centuries of union with
Denmark. With increasing independence came a wish to norwegianise the
Danish standard, with Knud Knudsen at the forefront for changing parts
of the vocabulary and orthographics. Thus, Riksmål, and later Bokmål,
resulted. These forms together are today probably used by about 90% of
Norway's population, or somewhere around 3,500,000 people.
Parallel to this development, a new written standard was created by Ivar
Aasen. He travelled extensively throughout Norway, and based his new
language, landsmål, on the grammar and vocabulary of dialect samples
from around the country. This was later renamed Nynorsk. Modern Nynorsk
differs significantly from modern Bokmål, and may be linguistically
looked upon as as different (or as similar if you like) as Swedish is to
Danish. For English or Dutch/German speakers, the differences may be
likened to those between (Lowland) Scots and English or Low German and
Dutch. Today it is estimated that about 500,000-600,000 people have
Nynorsk as their first written language.
More information about the Norwegian language history can be found in
English, German, French, Spanish or Portuguese on the website of the
Norwegian Language Council:
http://www.sprakrad.no/templates/Page.aspx?id=653
== A short history of Wikipedia in Norwegian ==
The first Norwegian wikipedia started 26 November 2001 on the subdomain
no.wikipedia.org. As most wikipedias, its contributor and article count
started really picking up around the end of 2003. At the time, it
accepted all written standards of Norwegian, although the amount of
Nynorsk was minimal. There were already several debates about the
feasibilty and appropriateness of keeping the two languages united on
one Wikipedia. On 31 July 2004 a Wikipedia for Nynorsk was created.
The creation of nn:, however, split the community at no: wikipedia. Many
felt that given that Nynorsk now had its own wikipedia, no: should
become a Bokmål/Riksmål Wikipedia only. Others disapproved and claimed
that there was no need to change and that it should continue its
language policy of accepting all and keep its interwiki link name of
"Norsk".
Nynorsk Wikipedia soon proved a success, as it within the next few
months gathered several people who had felt uncomfortable in the
(mainly) Bokmål environment at no:. The name displayed in interwiki
links became "Norsk (nynorsk)" (languages are not spelt with upper case
in Norwegian). To date it continues to be one of the fastest growing
wikipedias, with a steady article increase, now at over 6000 articles
and >50 editors with more than 10 edits since arrival.
== Votes ==
The issue of no:'s language policy has come up time and again, and a
vote was held in March ([[:no:Wikipedia:Målform]]) as to which policy to
adapt. Independent of the method of the tally (whether or not to include
new contributors etc.) there was a majority for switching to a
Bokmål/Riksmål only language policy (50% for Bokmål/Riksmål, 43.2% for
Bokmål/Riksmål/Nynorsk/Høgnorsk, and 6.8% for the official variants
Bokmål/Nynorsk only).
Following this result, there is now going to be a vote on which
interwiki link name will most appropriately reflect the current language
policy of no:. The result of this vote will most likely be either "Norsk
(bokmål)" or "Norsk (bokmål/riksmål)".
Understandably, there has also been a debate as to whether the subdomain
should change from "no" to "nb", as this is the correct representation
of Bokmål according to ISO 639-2. However, there is some resentment
towards such a move and currently a general acceptance in letting the
Bokmål wikipedia stay at "no". The alternative some have suggested is a
server-side redirect from "no" to "nb", in the same way that "nb" today
is a server-side redirect to the equivalent page on "no".
== Summary of the problem ==
Unfortunately, a small group of users (who all write Bokmål/Riksmål) are
ignoring the results from the vote, and are claiming they want to
re-establish a wikipedia for all written standards of Norwegian. They
claim they have been in touch with people centrally in Wikimedia
(developers? stewards?) and that they have so far received positive
comments. With this email, we would like to state the fact that there
have been no official decisions about creating a third Norwegian
wikipedia containing both Bokmål and Nynorsk, it is merely an unofficial
initiative from a small group of users which started a sign-on list at
[[:no:Bruker:Norsk_Wikipedia]]. A spontaneous list with signatures
against this activity was immediately created at
[[:no:Wikipedia-diskusjon:Fellesnorsk]]. The process of creating a third
Norwegian wikipedia has not gone through a voting process in any of the
two existing Norwegian wikipedias (no: and nn:) and can not be
considered as a decision by the Norwegian Wikipedia community.
We believe the creation of a third wikipedia under the Wikimedia
foundation would have a serious and unfortunate impact on the existing
wikipedias in Norwegian, no: and nn:, and would undermine Wikipedia's
reputation in Norway. This being said, we are all for extensive co-
operation between the four Scandinavian language wikipedias (including
Swedish and Danish), as evident by the recent creation of
[[:meta:Skanwiki]], the Scandinavian meta-pages, and the use of featured
articles from neighbour wikipedias.
== Conclusion ==
Hopefully, this letter will help people better understand the
complicated language situation of the Norwegian Wikipedia community, so
as to give a background on which discussion can take place on this list
in the future, such as the inevitable debate following a possible
request for a re-establishment of the common (and third!) Norwegian
Wikipedia.
>From the community of no.wikipedia.org and nn.wikipedia.org,
Bjarte Sørensen [[:meta:User:BjarteSorensen]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on nn:)
Lars Alvik [[:no:User:Profoss]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on no:)
Øyvind A. Holm [[:no:User:Sunny256]] (Administrator on no:)
Onar Vikingstad [[:no:User:Vikingstad]] (Administrator on no:)
Jon Harald Søby [[:no:User:Jhs]] (Administrator on no:)
Chris Nyborg [[:no:User:Cnyborg]] (Administrator on no:)
Guttorm Flatabø [[:no:User:Dittaeva]] (Administrator on nn:)
Gunleiv Hadland [[:meta:User:Gunnernett]] (Administrator on nn:)
Jarle Fagerheim [[:nn:User:Jarle]] (Administrator on nn:)
Øyvind Jo Heimdal Eik [[:en:User:Pladask]] (Administrator on nn: and no:)
Kristian André Gallis [[:nn:User:Kristaga]]
Vegard Wærp [[:no:User:Vegardw]]
Nina Aldin Thune [[:no:User:Nina]]
Thor-Rune Hansen [[:no:User:ThorRune]]
Claes Tande [[:no:User:Ctande]]
Arnt-Erik Krokaa [[:no:User:AEK]]
Rune Sattler [[:no:User:Shauni]]
Hello,
The menu on the left hand side lists, in this order
Navigation
Main Page
Contents
Featured content
Current events
Random article
interaction
About Wikipedia
Community portal
Recent changes
Contact Wikipedia
Donate to Wikipedia
Help
search
search box
----------
Problem: on small screens, the search box is not visible and readers
must scroll each time they get to a new page to find it.
Whether we are happy with this, or would prefer that people navigate
three featured content or indexes or random article, does not change the
fact that most poeple actually use search system on internet.
What about changing the search box place ?
Perhaps under the logo. Or below the Navigation block. Or fully at the
top of the page ?
Ant
Folks,
Please bear with me while I run a test of my e-mail service. Comcast has
been having problems for the past 24 hours & for some reason I haven't
received any posts from any of the various WP-related Mailing Lists for that
period of time.
Marc
On Tuesday May 20, 2008, page 4 of Dagens Nyheter, Sweden's
leading newspaper, carried a signed editorial article by Henrik
Berggren, detailing how he found an error in the Swedish language
Wikipedia and corrected it,
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=577&a=771422
This [[:sv:Henrik Berggren (journalist)]] has a Wikipedia entry
since 2005. He holds a PhD degree in history.
The error is rather serious, a whole paragraph of text claims that
[[Fredrika Bremer]] (Swedish writer, feminist pioneer, 1801-1865)
found the love of her life in 1820 and married later that decade.
In reality, she never married. The error was planted on May 4,
2007 by the username Elinwolf and corrected by Henrik berggren
more than a year later. Apparently, the error never spread to
other languages.
The editorial article, however, doesn't ridicule Wikipedia as an
unreliable source of information. It concludes that this is what
might happen unless we are vigilant, and that Wikipedia's quality
depends on all of us, especially when it comes to more obscure
topics than the most renowned authors.
This follows after the newspaper reprinted AFP's story on May 11
about professor Jon Beasley-Murray at the University of British
Columbia, with the puzzle globe and the headline "gains respect"
on the front webpage (www.dn.se) for several days, and after a
similar story from a Swedish college was featured on May 19,
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=771168
In summary, Swedish press reporting about Wikipedia is currently
very positive and also quite realistic. Wikipedia is described as
something that school children actually use as a reference and
something we all can and should contribute to, but not as a pile
of junk and neither as a promised land. There has also been one
mention of how the Russian Wikipedia gained the 10th position.
--
Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
Good morning!
Next week we will have a first international wiki and less resourced
languages meet-up in Cherasco, Piedmont, Italy. The languages for this
meet-up are English as mayor communication platform eventually French
and Wolof (for the Senegalese community) and Piedmontese. There will be
some short inserts of other less resourced languages in terms of videos
and/or recordings as well.
Yesterday there was a meeting in Piedmontese language only. Recordings
will be available online soon. Unfortunately the network connections did
not allow for live transmission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherasco (is the place where we will be
next Saturday).
The event is backed by the local authorities and the Region of Piedmont
as well as by the association GoPiedmont. Programming of the event
started quite late so all what was possible was done, and it was not
possible to consider many additional possibilities for this year (also
in terms of funding ... there's always that 24 hours/day thingie ... :-)
Therefore we had no additional funding to the technical facilities. This
time scolarships were not possible - we hope to be able to get things
like these in future, but we cannot promise :-)
Link to the programme:
http://gopiedmont.i-iter.org/contn%C3%
B9/programme-international-day-31st-may-english-language
Some of the videos are already online:
http://gopiedmont.i-iter.org/contn%C3%B9/eng-1-piedmont-festival-web-tv
For now we have a loop of approx. 90 mins.
Transcripts will be uploaded step by step here:
http://gopiedmont.i-iter.org/contn%C3%
B9/transcripts-videos-conference-31st-may-2008
(also in this case licenses need to be still established)
Some changes are still possible, but we have more contents than shown
here, so: no probs for that part.
As to the videos: most of them are already here, few are missing, I have
also additional contents. If you are part of a less resourced or
minority language group and would like to talk about your language and
projects in your language, you are welcome to submit your video to show
people - we cannot grant it to be online for the day of the conference,
but we can insert it in the cycle as soon as possible. Please also
consider using a free license for your video. We will see which ones of
ours can be released under free license (we could not care about that
part by now, but this is not essential for the conference itself and can
be handled after it).
All videos shown during the conference are going to be dubbed in
Piedmontese language.
At this stage I would like to publicly thank all, Wikimedians and non,
who helped us to organise the event and get things on their way. Approx.
4 month is not really much time.
Yes, we are already thinking about the next event for 2009 (also 2010 is
being considered) and whoever is interested is welcome to join us.
Really next year should have been the first year to do this ... but
well: we got the challenge to do it now and so we did.
Please feel free to distribute this information as you wish. It was not
possible to go around all village pumps on our wikis which deal with a
less resourced language (I tried to do at least some).
Should you have any questions, please ask - they will be answered on the
website of GoPiedmont so that questions and answers are available to a
broader public. We cannot make sure we answer immediately being only in
two to do this. Please send a copy of your question to
info(a)voxhumanitatis.org from where it reaches our private mail boxes and
not the lists which we cannot really follow these days.
Thank you and have a wonderful week!
Sabine Cretella
Hi,
I'm invited to a hearing by a governmental commission who works on possible
alterations to the laws and regulations governing the copyright on public works
in France. They want to know my opinions (and those of Wikimedia France) on the
issue.
I know about the copyright-free status of the works of the US federal
government. I'm interested in the copyright status of the works of other
governments worlwide, especially in the European Union.
Please answer by private e-mail.
Regards
DM
/* Sorry for resending: Stupid me, I thought the Cyrillic URL was
* the problem, but apparently it was the line starting with
* "From" that Pipermail couldn't handle.
*/
Surprisingly long, Swedish has held the 10th place among the
largest languages of Wikipedia. Swedish is spoken by only 9
million people and the following two places are held by Russian
and Chinese.
Some say the high rank is held in part because of many very short
articles: stubs and even "substubs". This is true, but the high
ranking of some languages (including Polish and Dutch) in this
first decade of Wikipedia is rather to be explained by the late
coming of the major languages. Arabic is still trailing at 31.
Swedish has been falling from 6th to its current 10th place.
All of April, the Swedish Wikipedia has been active with merging
"substubs" into larger units. As a result, the over all size of
the Swedish Wikipedia has been flat around 282,000 articles, while
the Russian Wikipedia has continued to grow at a healthy pace.
The difference in size is now only 5000 articles. Any day or week
soon, Russian will capture the 10th place. This will be a great
event, but what about the timing?
The Russian wikipedians already missed the 200th anniversary of
the conquest of Sveaborg (May 3, 1808). I don't think they will
time today's final in the ice hockey world championships. But I
also think they will be too early for the 299th anniversary of the
battle of Poltava (July 8, 1709). So we will have to find some
other way to mark the Russian victory for a place around the
puzzle globe (http://www.wikipedia.org/).
As part of WikiProject Sweden (Википедия:Проект:Швеция), they
started yesterday a subpage "Swedish Week" (Шведская неделя). The
idea is to fill these last days of Swedish dominance with writing
new articles about Sweden. Yesterday, Saturday May 17, was
Norway's independence day but this didn't stop the Russians from
creating an article about the National holiday of Sweden, as well
as 50 other new articles pertaining to Sweden.
_From a Swedish perspective, this isn't too bad. To quote ABBA:
"I feel like I win, when I lose" (Waterloo, 1974).
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:Проект:Швеция/Шведская_неделя
The surrender of Sveaborg ([[Suomenlinna]]) fortress at Helsinki
in 1808 and the [[battle of Poltava]] in the Ukraine in 1709 are
the two most famous Swedish military losses to Russia. A Russian
expression for helplessness is "like a Swede at Poltava", but this
is not at all how I feel today.
Still, I had hoped that this year's ice hockey championships,
played in Quebec ([[2008 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships]]),
would provide retaliation, but yesterday Sweden lost out at 4th
place without medals and Russia is playing the final today against
Canada in just a few hours.
It is surprising how well hockey-playing nations (Russia, Finland,
Sweden, Norway, Canada, USA, Germany, Poland, Czech Replublic) are
doing in Wikipedia. Maybe this is what the Arabs should try.
--
Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
Surprisingly long, Swedish has held the 10th place among the
largest languages of Wikipedia. Swedish is spoken by only 9
million people and the following two places are held by Russian
and Chinese.
Some say the high rank is held in part because of many very short
articles: stubs and even "substubs". This is true, but the high
ranking of some languages (including Polish and Dutch) in this
first decade of Wikipedia is rather to be explained by the late
coming of the major languages. Arabic is still trailing at 31.
Swedish has been falling from 6th to its current 10th place.
All of April, the Swedish Wikipedia has been active with merging
"substubs" into larger units. As a result, the over all size of
the Swedish Wikipedia has been flat around 282,000 articles, while
the Russian Wikipedia has continued to grow at a healthy pace.
The difference in size is now only 5000 articles. Any day or week
soon, Russian will capture the 10th place. This will be a great
event, but what about the timing?
The Russian wikipedians already missed the 200th anniversary of
the conquest of Sveaborg (May 3, 1808). I don't think they will
time today's final in the ice hockey world championships. But I
also think they will be too early for the 299th anniversary of the
battle of Poltava (July 8, 1709). So we will have to find some
other way to mark the Russian victory for a place around the
puzzle globe (http://www.wikipedia.org/).
As part of WikiProject Sweden (Википедия:Проект:Швеция), they
started yesterday a subpage "Swedish Week" (Шведская неделя). The
idea is to fill these last days of Swedish dominance with writing
new articles about Sweden. Yesterday, Saturday May 17, was
Norway's independence day but this didn't stop the Russians from
creating an article about the National holiday of Sweden, as well
as 50 other new articles pertaining to Sweden.
>From a Swedish perspective, this isn't too bad. To quote ABBA:
"I feel like I win, when I lose" (Waterloo, 1974).
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:Проект:Швеция/Шведская_неделя
The surrender of Sveaborg ([[Suomenlinna]]) fortress at Helsinki
in 1808 and the [[battle of Poltava]] in the Ukraine in 1709 are
the two most famous Swedish military losses to Russia. A Russian
expression for helplessness is "like a Swede at Poltava", but this
is not at all how I feel today.
Still, I had hoped that this year's ice hockey championships,
played in Quebec ([[2008 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships]]),
would provide retaliation, but yesterday Sweden lost out at 4th
place without medals and Russia is playing the final today against
Canada in just a few hours.
It is surprising how well hockey-playing nations (Russia, Finland,
Sweden, Norway, Canada, USA, Germany, Poland, Czech Replublic) are
doing in Wikipedia. Maybe this is what the Arabs should try.
--
Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
It is hard to believe that we don't have translations of the
Wikimedian language names in the Wikimedian languages. So, please, do
that starting from the page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_names