On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote:
> What are the articles this person has been changing?
For 66.108.155.126:
20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet
20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root
20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
For 208.24.115.6:
20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
For 141.157.232.26:
20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements.
Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker.
For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist
and look at the contribs.
--mav
Dear all,
Most of you would be aware of some of the discussions that have occurred
around Wikipedia in the Norwegian languages. Since the last round of
discussions on this list, there has been a lot of internal debate, as
well as what seems to be a fairly widely accepted agreement following
voting.
This e-mail intends to, after a brief recap on Norwegian language and
wikipedia issues, take those interested through the latest development
and will stake out the road ahead. It is also intended to inform the
international community about the current agreement on no.wikipedia, so
as to prevent misunderstandings in the future.
Finally, we will mention an unfortunate reaction to the vote by a small
number of users at the Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål (no:) wikipedia who want
to disregard the result of the voting and are planning to create a
_third_ Norwegian wikipedia with the sole mission of mixing the contents
of the two current Norwegian versions.
== A short language history of Norway ==
Spoken Norwegian ("norsk") (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "no") is in a fairly
unique situation compared to most other languages of the world in that
it has two widely accepted written standards, Bokmål (ISO 639-2 alpha-2
code "nb") and Nynorsk (ISO 639-2 alpha-2 code "nn"). By national
legislation they are both regarded as official written forms of
Norwegian. In addition, many people still make a distinction between
Bokmål and its precursor which still is in use, Riksmål.
Briefly speaking, Bokmål and Riksmål are descendants of the Danish
written language. Until the 1800s, Danish was the only widely used
written language in Norway as a result of four centuries of union with
Denmark. With increasing independence came a wish to norwegianise the
Danish standard, with Knud Knudsen at the forefront for changing parts
of the vocabulary and orthographics. Thus, Riksmål, and later Bokmål,
resulted. These forms together are today probably used by about 90% of
Norway's population, or somewhere around 3,500,000 people.
Parallel to this development, a new written standard was created by Ivar
Aasen. He travelled extensively throughout Norway, and based his new
language, landsmål, on the grammar and vocabulary of dialect samples
from around the country. This was later renamed Nynorsk. Modern Nynorsk
differs significantly from modern Bokmål, and may be linguistically
looked upon as as different (or as similar if you like) as Swedish is to
Danish. For English or Dutch/German speakers, the differences may be
likened to those between (Lowland) Scots and English or Low German and
Dutch. Today it is estimated that about 500,000-600,000 people have
Nynorsk as their first written language.
More information about the Norwegian language history can be found in
English, German, French, Spanish or Portuguese on the website of the
Norwegian Language Council:
http://www.sprakrad.no/templates/Page.aspx?id=653
== A short history of Wikipedia in Norwegian ==
The first Norwegian wikipedia started 26 November 2001 on the subdomain
no.wikipedia.org. As most wikipedias, its contributor and article count
started really picking up around the end of 2003. At the time, it
accepted all written standards of Norwegian, although the amount of
Nynorsk was minimal. There were already several debates about the
feasibilty and appropriateness of keeping the two languages united on
one Wikipedia. On 31 July 2004 a Wikipedia for Nynorsk was created.
The creation of nn:, however, split the community at no: wikipedia. Many
felt that given that Nynorsk now had its own wikipedia, no: should
become a Bokmål/Riksmål Wikipedia only. Others disapproved and claimed
that there was no need to change and that it should continue its
language policy of accepting all and keep its interwiki link name of
"Norsk".
Nynorsk Wikipedia soon proved a success, as it within the next few
months gathered several people who had felt uncomfortable in the
(mainly) Bokmål environment at no:. The name displayed in interwiki
links became "Norsk (nynorsk)" (languages are not spelt with upper case
in Norwegian). To date it continues to be one of the fastest growing
wikipedias, with a steady article increase, now at over 6000 articles
and >50 editors with more than 10 edits since arrival.
== Votes ==
The issue of no:'s language policy has come up time and again, and a
vote was held in March ([[:no:Wikipedia:Målform]]) as to which policy to
adapt. Independent of the method of the tally (whether or not to include
new contributors etc.) there was a majority for switching to a
Bokmål/Riksmål only language policy (50% for Bokmål/Riksmål, 43.2% for
Bokmål/Riksmål/Nynorsk/Høgnorsk, and 6.8% for the official variants
Bokmål/Nynorsk only).
Following this result, there is now going to be a vote on which
interwiki link name will most appropriately reflect the current language
policy of no:. The result of this vote will most likely be either "Norsk
(bokmål)" or "Norsk (bokmål/riksmål)".
Understandably, there has also been a debate as to whether the subdomain
should change from "no" to "nb", as this is the correct representation
of Bokmål according to ISO 639-2. However, there is some resentment
towards such a move and currently a general acceptance in letting the
Bokmål wikipedia stay at "no". The alternative some have suggested is a
server-side redirect from "no" to "nb", in the same way that "nb" today
is a server-side redirect to the equivalent page on "no".
== Summary of the problem ==
Unfortunately, a small group of users (who all write Bokmål/Riksmål) are
ignoring the results from the vote, and are claiming they want to
re-establish a wikipedia for all written standards of Norwegian. They
claim they have been in touch with people centrally in Wikimedia
(developers? stewards?) and that they have so far received positive
comments. With this email, we would like to state the fact that there
have been no official decisions about creating a third Norwegian
wikipedia containing both Bokmål and Nynorsk, it is merely an unofficial
initiative from a small group of users which started a sign-on list at
[[:no:Bruker:Norsk_Wikipedia]]. A spontaneous list with signatures
against this activity was immediately created at
[[:no:Wikipedia-diskusjon:Fellesnorsk]]. The process of creating a third
Norwegian wikipedia has not gone through a voting process in any of the
two existing Norwegian wikipedias (no: and nn:) and can not be
considered as a decision by the Norwegian Wikipedia community.
We believe the creation of a third wikipedia under the Wikimedia
foundation would have a serious and unfortunate impact on the existing
wikipedias in Norwegian, no: and nn:, and would undermine Wikipedia's
reputation in Norway. This being said, we are all for extensive co-
operation between the four Scandinavian language wikipedias (including
Swedish and Danish), as evident by the recent creation of
[[:meta:Skanwiki]], the Scandinavian meta-pages, and the use of featured
articles from neighbour wikipedias.
== Conclusion ==
Hopefully, this letter will help people better understand the
complicated language situation of the Norwegian Wikipedia community, so
as to give a background on which discussion can take place on this list
in the future, such as the inevitable debate following a possible
request for a re-establishment of the common (and third!) Norwegian
Wikipedia.
>From the community of no.wikipedia.org and nn.wikipedia.org,
Bjarte Sørensen [[:meta:User:BjarteSorensen]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on nn:)
Lars Alvik [[:no:User:Profoss]] (Administrator/bureaucrat on no:)
Øyvind A. Holm [[:no:User:Sunny256]] (Administrator on no:)
Onar Vikingstad [[:no:User:Vikingstad]] (Administrator on no:)
Jon Harald Søby [[:no:User:Jhs]] (Administrator on no:)
Chris Nyborg [[:no:User:Cnyborg]] (Administrator on no:)
Guttorm Flatabø [[:no:User:Dittaeva]] (Administrator on nn:)
Gunleiv Hadland [[:meta:User:Gunnernett]] (Administrator on nn:)
Jarle Fagerheim [[:nn:User:Jarle]] (Administrator on nn:)
Øyvind Jo Heimdal Eik [[:en:User:Pladask]] (Administrator on nn: and no:)
Kristian André Gallis [[:nn:User:Kristaga]]
Vegard Wærp [[:no:User:Vegardw]]
Nina Aldin Thune [[:no:User:Nina]]
Thor-Rune Hansen [[:no:User:ThorRune]]
Claes Tande [[:no:User:Ctande]]
Arnt-Erik Krokaa [[:no:User:AEK]]
Rune Sattler [[:no:User:Shauni]]
Hi Gerard,
I have just returned from my hometown. At hometown, I talked with couple of my colleagues and relatives for providing support for wikipedia Ahirani and their feedback was very good. Also I just saw that the language has been verified as eligible and I would like to say thanks to everyone for this. So feeling really cook and exciting. So, I will speed up my work and so lets face the next challenges.
Regards,
deepak
Home is behind
The world ahead.
And there are many paths to tread.
Through shadow,
To the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight
Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall...fade.
From: gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:51:18 +0100
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of new language - Ahirani
To: deepak_sapkale(a)hotmail.com
Ho aIndeed. Please ask for support for your language at translatewiki.net on the [[Support]] page as well. Formally we suggest to the board that from a linguistic point of view there is / there is not a reason to approve a future project.
Thanks, Gerard
On 10 December 2011 18:38, deepak sapkale <deepak_sapkale(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gerard,
I understood now..in summary what we have to do is..we have to write everything in support of the language on the request page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ahirani) and simultaneously on the other side, language committee with decide whether to approve it or not. am i right?
Regards,
deepak sapkale
Home is behind
The world ahead.
And there are many paths to tread.
Through shadow,
To the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight
Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall...fade.
> From: gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:46:10 +0100
> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of new language - Ahirani
>
> Hoi,
> Please read the instructions that come with the page. The bottom line is
> that when we do not know a proposer or people working on an incubator
> project, the language committee will not consider it for a long time and in
> the end reject the proposal.
> Thanks,
> Gerard
>
> On 8 December 2011 18:40, deepak sapkale <deepak_sapkale(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thank you all for your support. I was little scared since last 3-4 days as
> > I hadn't heard from you guys. Gerard,...Could you please elaborate more on
> > your question " information of the "proposer""?? what Information I need to
> > add to the page?
> >
> > Also regarding question of language support, Not a problem... I am
> > already in contact with my colleagues who are going to provide support for
> > it. Also I will be visiting my town in next week to knowledge them about
> > the project. Besides these let me know if anything is left to do from my
> > side.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Deepak Sapkale
> >
> >
> > Home is behind
> > The world ahead.
> > And there are many paths to tread.
> > Through shadow,
> > To the edge of night
> > Until the stars are all alight
> > Mist and shadow
> > Cloud and shade
> > All shall fade
> > All shall...fade.
> >
> > From: viswaprabha(a)gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:37:10 +0530
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Creation of new language -
> > Ahirani
> > To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > CC: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org; deepak_sapkale(a)hotmail.com
> >
> > Very encouraging!
> > Whole support for you, Ahirani!
> > Welcome to the world of Indic Wikipedias, you little dear!
> > :)
> > -Viswam
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 14:19, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hoi,It would be cool when the request for the Ahirani language is
> > completed. What is necessary is information of the "proposer" and people
> > interested in working on this language.
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ahirani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the mean time I have written a "Mingle story" asking for the support
> > for the Ahirani language. The request is to have a configuration exactly
> > like Marathi for WebFonts and Narayam. It will likely take three weeks
> > before this is implemented on the Incubator. Before this we will have it
> > implemented on translatewiki.net.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When it has been implemented at twn, we want to get confirmation that it
> > is as it needs to be. Having a "language support team" for Ahirani (and any
> > other language) really helps.
> > http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Gerard
> >
> > On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale <deepak_sapkale(a)hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L
> > & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really
> > inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The
> > language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which
> > used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Deepak Sapkale
> >
> > contact no, home: +91-022-21717690
> >
> > mobile no: +91-9920997888
> >
> >
> >
> > Home is behind
> >
> > The world ahead.
> >
> > And there are many paths to tread.
> >
> > Through shadow,
> >
> > To the edge of night
> >
> > Until the stars are all alight
> >
> > Mist and shadow
> >
> > Cloud and shade
> >
> > All shall fade
> >
> > All shall...fade.
> >
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