I hereby decree, in my usual authoritarian and bossy manner, that today shall
forever be known as Magnus Manske day. Wikipedians of the distant future will
marvel at the day when the new software era dawned upon us.
Tonight at dinner, every Wikipedian should say a toast to Magnus and his many
inventions.
--Jimbo
On Wednesday 04 September 2002 10:38 am, Helga wrote:
> Hello, I am a little swamped with all the wiki list reading material and it
> seems my limited email is getting overloaded.
You might want to create an email filter to sort any emails with the string
"Helga" in the subject into a special folder (just use the help menu of
whatever email program you use and look up "filter").
Otherwise you may miss some emails that concern you.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
On Saturday 24 August 2002 12:01 pm, Karen wrote:
> Something I wondered - how do you know who the new users to greet them?
> Do you just look for user names you haven't seen before or is there some
> way to identify them? I'd be happy to do the meet-and-greet but I don't
> know how to do it.
Well - I guess I do it the hard way and scan each edit in all Recent Changes
for a 24 hour period looking for edit link user names (a dead give-a-away)
and for user names I don't remember seeing before. This works for me since I
pretty good reading comprehension and memory.
What would be most useful is a listing of new users that can be accessed from
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Listusers. That way this job would be
much easier.
BTW we really /do not/ have 3498 real users -- a good many of these "users"
logged in only to abuse our upload utility or for other nefarious or
non-contributing reasons (I don't greet any user who hasn't contributed at
all). Is there a way to get rid of many of these no-longer used user accounts
Lee (just the ones that have been inactive for months and whose user pages
are still edit links)?
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
On Monday 19 August 2002 03:41 pm, you wrote:
> Can still be done later. The problem is the lack of time. If you wait to
> long there are to many links to the new location of the english
> wikipedia that can not be broken. If there is no fundamental objection
> to put the English wikipedia at en.wikipedia.org then that must be done.
> What to do whit www.wikipedia.org can wait (a littel.)
>
> giskart
This is just silly -- we are building an encyclopedia here not an
organization. There is nothing at all wrong with having the English wikipedia
at wikipedia.org and have all the pages that are about the English language
project be in the wikipedia namespace (or in the other languages project
namespaces). As each language figures out what to call their wikipedia we can
buy them domain names for that and make sure the xx.wikipedia.com domain
names still work.
Other than being a one-page portal to all the different language wikipedias
(which the Main Page already does -- as do most of the other language main
pages) I don't see any logic in using wikipedia.org for anything other than
the English language wikipedia.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
The current file upload utility requires the user to "donate" the
copyright to "Wikipedia". Wikipedia is no legal entity, so this
doesn't make sense. It is also not in line with the way we have
handled copyrights up to know for text submissions: the user retains
copyright, but licenses the work under GFDL. I suggest that this be
changed.
Axel
What's up with Natural Family Planning
<http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Natural_family_planning>
? I'm trying to edit it (capitalizing "Catholic Church," if you're
curious), but when I save, I get the old version again. I've tried
several times, and each time, Recent Changes shows a new entry: "(diff)
Natural family planning 09:54 (6 changes) ... conversion script M
[Automated conversion]"
Has the conversion script decided to adopt this article as its very own?
Or is it just the wrong time of month to edit this article?
--
the Epopt
Hello,
if one (hypothetically :-) wanted to help in finding bugs, should one
start with the version of the software on sourceforge, in CVS, or is
there a newer version? Also, if one (hypothetically) would fix a
bug, should one just submit it to CVS or send it directly to
Magnus/Jimbo?
On another note: somebody wrote a suggestion on the website that the
slow response might be caused by one of the special features that have
been added. Maybe that could be tested, by running the site for a
while without watchlists, orphans, most wanted, page counters etc.
When we had response problems with the old perl script, I remember it
was due to too many RecentChanges accesses.
Axel
I'm adding wikipedia stuff to the LDP site. I will definitely pass the
result past you before any publication, to make sure you're happy with
how I've implemented it - since the official "policy" has never been
finally established.
I hope you know by now I will do everything I reasonably can to make
sure what I do benefits the Wikipedia and doesn't "fork" it in any
meaningful way. I'll be driving traffic to you, for one thing, and
won't do any actual "editing" on my site. Clicking the "Edit this
page" link will do just what it says -- but will take you to the
Wikipedia to do your edits. I think the LDP probably gets a lot more
traffic right now than the Wikipedia does (6 million page views a
month), so that should be a good thing for you.
I do have a problem though, that you can help me with if you will.
It seems the tarball is not being updated regularly. I want to
download and process it regularly, probably weekly. An rsync feed
would be really ideal, because it would minimize the bandwidth
requirements. It's not a problem on my end, but it could be on yours.
But if an rsync feed is not in the cards, at least update the tarball.
Can you get the tarballs updated on a more regular basis? It should
just take a few minutes to write a script and put it in
/etc/cron.daily.
Thanks,
--
David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net
Linux Documentation Project david(a)lupercalia.net
Collection Editor & Coordinator http://www.linuxdoc.org
Mine is the ecstasy of the spirit
And Mine also is joy on earth.
For My law is love unto all beings.
-- from The Charge of the Goddess, Doreen Valiente
Just a thought re: vandalism
At some point, some of the vandals are going to spot the "minor edit" button,
and realise it makes their vandalism harder to police. Would it be too unwiki
to limit the option of "minor edit" to those logged in (most non-vandal new
users don't seem use it anyway).
--
Gareth Owen
"Wikipedia does rock. By the count on the "brilliant prose" page, there
are 14 not-bad articles so far" -- Larry Sanger (12 Jan 2001)
The LDP is talking about whether to set up our own Wiki project for
working on HOWTOs. There seems to be quite a bit of interest. I don't
know what will come of it yet. I asked whether they're interested in
using Wikipedia, but I suspect we need real-time updates and stuff
like that, so it wouldn't work very well. Let me know how you feel
about this though. We're still discussing it ourselves.
If we were to do that, we would need the licensing situation finally
established in concrete terms, as well as attribution requirements.
Any really big attribution would be an annoyance, but we'd want to
make sure Wikipedia got a mention in all HOWTOs worked on that way.
The big table would be overkill imho.
But if we do, I would like to use the Wikipedia software. We want to
use the current editing capabilities to output DocBook format, as in:
=Title=
Foo
Bar
becomes:
<sect1><title>Title</title>
<para>Foo</para>
<para>Bar</para>
</sect1>
and so on. How is the software licensed, and can I get access to the
cvs? I don't think I'll need commit rights. I'll fix any bugs I run
into and send a patch if that happens.
Thanks,
--
David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net
Linux Documentation Project david(a)lupercalia.net
Collection Editor & Coordinator http://www.linuxdoc.org
By the Earth that is Her body
By the Air that is Her breath
By the Fire of Her bright spirit
By the Waters of Her living Womb,
The circle is cast.
-- Traditional Circle Casting