On Saturday 24 August 2002 12:01 pm, Karen wrote:
> Something I wondered - how do you know who the new users to greet them?
> Do you just look for user names you haven't seen before or is there some
> way to identify them? I'd be happy to do the meet-and-greet but I don't
> know how to do it.
Well - I guess I do it the hard way and scan each edit in all Recent Changes
for a 24 hour period looking for edit link user names (a dead give-a-away)
and for user names I don't remember seeing before. This works for me since I
pretty good reading comprehension and memory.
What would be most useful is a listing of new users that can be accessed from
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Listusers. That way this job would be
BTW we really /do not/ have 3498 real users -- a good many of these "users"
logged in only to abuse our upload utility or for other nefarious or
non-contributing reasons (I don't greet any user who hasn't contributed at
all). Is there a way to get rid of many of these no-longer used user accounts
Lee (just the ones that have been inactive for months and whose user pages
are still edit links)?
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
On Monday 19 August 2002 03:41 pm, you wrote:
> Can still be done later. The problem is the lack of time. If you wait to
> long there are to many links to the new location of the english
> wikipedia that can not be broken. If there is no fundamental objection
> to put the English wikipedia at en.wikipedia.org then that must be done.
> What to do whit www.wikipedia.org can wait (a littel.)
This is just silly -- we are building an encyclopedia here not an
organization. There is nothing at all wrong with having the English wikipedia
at wikipedia.org and have all the pages that are about the English language
project be in the wikipedia namespace (or in the other languages project
namespaces). As each language figures out what to call their wikipedia we can
buy them domain names for that and make sure the xx.wikipedia.com domain
names still work.
Other than being a one-page portal to all the different language wikipedias
(which the Main Page already does -- as do most of the other language main
pages) I don't see any logic in using wikipedia.org for anything other than
the English language wikipedia.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Chemical structure diagrams seems like something there ought to be a
specialized free program to generate. If we standardized on such a
program, the article source should contain whatever input file to
that program was used and we can use its output (in PNG, or EPS
rendered in PNG) in the articles themselves. I don't think HTML is
adequate for the task. We'll need something similar for mathematical
equations as well at some point (though complex HTML with special
characters is a possible alternative there).
>posted to the Wikipedia-l mailing list at:
>>> I was trying to show a triple bond on the
>>> http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Acetylene page. How is
>>> in normally
>>> shown using ascii text to html markup?
>>There might be something in extended (ISO) character
>>set that would work,
>>but I'm not terribly familiar with those so far.
>>A broader question revolves around support for images
>>on Wikipedia--many of
>>us could probably draw diagrams that would enrich the
>>content of pages, like
>>the chemistry-related pages, dramatically. We could
>>develop them and
>>release them under GDFL terms, and it would seem a
>>shame to limit their
>>availability and redistribution to off-Wiki linking.
>>I mean, after all, dead-tree encyclopedias and even
>>some dictionaries have
>>illustrations. It's an interesting challenge, working
>>within the confines
>>of a primarily-text medium (Lynx is my primary
>>browser, after all), but at
>>some point, the *pedias should support pictures.0
As part of my extracurricular activities, I play Irish fiddle. I
suggested on Irtrad-L, a music mailing list, that somebody set up a wiki
devoted to listing Irish traditional music sessions. (Nobody is
maintaining a complete, definitive list these days, and I thought a wiki
would be the perfect solution.) I gave Wikipedia as an example of a wiki
so people could understand what wikis are all about.
Well, wouldn't you know it but somebody decides to start the list *on
Wikipedia*. At first I said (on Irtrad-L) that this was a bad idea, for a
variety of reasons--that the wiki should be located somewhere else. Then
I thought again: hey, we can always *copy* the information that gets
started on Wikipedia to wherever the information will eventually live. So
why not let people get *started*, working on Wikipedia?
THEN the thought occurs to me that the net result of this will be a few
more cheerfully addicted Wikipedians--particularly if there is indeed a
successful Irish session wiki started up, they will learn the wiki system
and remember that Wikipedia is what got them into it originally. Warm
It occurs to me now that this is actually probably a very good way to get
people into Wikipedia who might otherwise not know or care at all about
it. We all have hobbies and academic interests that, in various ways,
might be very well-served by the collaborative treatment that wikis allow.
So that's my thought--we could start encouraging the creation of wikis
about our interests, and offer to host an initial page about it, and then
encourage people to take the wiki info elsewhere.
(Unless it's actually encyclopedic info--in which case, encourage them to
keep it on Wikipedia. :-) )
Someone's already done this, too, with AmbientCalculiOnline. That
actually brings Wikipedia quite a few hits.
Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> writes:
> Friday morning is my goal. I have to go through and edit it to not be so
> yucky. :-)
When you click the title of a page, it does a search on that heading, but it
is the old pulling-a-Volkswagen-through-treacle variety. Would it make sense
to change this link to use the all-singing-and-dancing-all-hail-Jimbo search?
Someone searched at Yahoo for 'tld code' and fell through to Yahoo's google results.
A fairly prominent listing there is 'Wikipedia: CountryCodes'.
To a programmer or heavy net user 'tld code' is perfectly meaningful, and that
search result is accurate. We might suppose that this person was looking for
technical information of some kind.
Basically, the machine had too many files open and choked and died. The problem
has been fixed now, and we'll be monitoring to make sure it doesn't happen again.
We upped the number of permissible open files, and I'm looking into it to see
whether some runaway process did something stupid. :-)
* http://www.nupedia.com/ *
* The Ever Expanding Free Encyclopedia *
posted to the Wikipedia-l mailing list at:
>> I was trying to show a triple bond on the
>> http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Acetylene page. How is
>> in normally
>> shown using ascii text to html markup?
>There might be something in extended (ISO) character
>set that would work,
>but I'm not terribly familiar with those so far.
>A broader question revolves around support for images
>on Wikipedia--many of
>us could probably draw diagrams that would enrich the
>content of pages, like
>the chemistry-related pages, dramatically. We could
>develop them and
>release them under GDFL terms, and it would seem a
>shame to limit their
>availability and redistribution to off-Wiki linking.
>I mean, after all, dead-tree encyclopedias and even
>some dictionaries have
>illustrations. It's an interesting challenge, working
>within the confines
>of a primarily-text medium (Lynx is my primary
>browser, after all), but at
>some point, the *pedias should support pictures.0
Fri Aug 31 14:55:40 BST 2001
Wikipedia.com has just vanished, given a "server misconfiguration" error
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to
complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, bomis-coders-l(a)bomis.com and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may
have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an
ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/1.3.19 Server at wikipedia.com Port 80