70.58.114.75 24.251.68.75
If you don't close rapidly and respect the decision of the vote concerning the
DELETION OF MOLDOVAN WIKIPEDIA this is the result: disruptive personal attacks from Mark
addressed to other users.
future civilization <future_civilization(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Several IPs coming from Phoenix, Arizona (home address of Mark W.) made several edits
(and also several personal attacks) on Moldovan Wikipedia thus breaking the result of the
vote to delete the Moldovan Wikipedia and decision taken to freeze/or to rapidly delete
this wikipedia made here.
A ban for Mark for about a month maybe will chill him out and stop him from doing
disruptive edits any more. A respect for the result of the vote would be too much from him
as he immediately lounched himself in personal attacks.
There is no more talking about this Moldovan Wikipedia, people decided to close and delete
it. Now, its your job to do it and respect the decision.
There was a vote for a long period of time: one month. Everybody had the chance to express
himself and now the result of the vote shows very clear: people want DELETION OF MOLDOVAN
WIKIPEDIA. Now, put this in practice.
future civilization wrote:
Yes, indeed. Mark doesn't have any authority and/or credibility, as himself admits. He
is very interested in closing/opening any wikipedia but he uses a very disruptive language
towards the new users. This disruptive language shows his limited comprehension on
wikipedias in various languages. In this way he discourage people who are enthusiast to
close/open new wikipedias. He has no power to decide for such a decision at the very least
he wants to ask for attention. Maybe this is explained by his early age in life. You
can't have any authority having only 16-17 years.
His style is to demolish everything and has a strongly counter-effect, a strong negative
one on what happens in Wikipedia. I checked his blocking log and shows a mean, very strong
negative behaviour.
You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening
of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just
worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia
getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing,
acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This
came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel.
I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation
and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of
discussing them.
Silas Snider wrote:
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Question:
What authority do you, Mark, have over the creation of a new wikipedia?
Are you a developer? I don't seem to ever see you contributing patches,
Put simply, I don't. I have no real authority. However, I do know that
I have some sway, because different people have varying degrees of
respect for me in the matter of languages. There are certainly those
who don't trust me at all or who think I don't know much of anything
at all about languages, but I think most people believe that I know
quite a bit about languages but at the same time have problems with
other things about me so they take most of my opinions/advice under
advisement.
If some developer wants to create a Tetum WP immediately, I have no
say in that. However, I'm pretty sure that the Wikimedia community as
a whole will have much more enthusiasm for the creation of a Tetum
Wikipedia if its test-wiki is more vibrant and is in 100% Tetum.
etc. on wikitech-l. In fact, almost all the posts
that I can see of
yours involve some kind of discussion over orthography or languages in
various wikipedias, especially when discussing closing one.
From what you say here, it seems to me that
you're a relative
newcomer. Before the Moldovan controversy, there was almost
never any
discussion about closing Wikis, given that the only 2 that have been
closed so far are Toki Pona and Klingon.
I'm not sure what's wrong, though, with the fact that almost all of my
posts are about languages -- is that a bad thing? Certainly, if you
look at other posters, many of them tend to have areas of particular
interest as well.
No, its not a bad thing, I was just trying to establish why I thought
you were not a developer (in case it turned out that you were).
My point is: on what grounds do you consider it
your job to be the
arbiter of when a proposal for wikipedia creation is good enough?
Who said I do consider it my job? Besides you, that is.
You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening
of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just
worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia
getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing,
acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This
came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel.
I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation
and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of
discussing them.
Mark
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