All,
Looking for something to do tomorrow evening?
Harry Mitchell has asked me to promote an event happening in London, near Euston. It's a genetics editathon - but knowledge of the subject isn't required, as experts will be on hand!
Food and drink are being provided. The evening will look like this:
17:30 Teas, Coffees and drinks reception 17:45 Introduction to problems; resources; markup; references; materials 18:00 Break out into into sub groups or individuals 18:10 Editathon begins. First session 19:00 Teas and Coffee Break 19:20 Editathon begins. Second session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) 20:20 Teas and Coffee Break 20:30 Editathon begins. Third session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) 21:45 Close + Wrap up 21:50 Pizzas, networking + Socialising.
Should be a good evening. It's being held at 2 Capper Street, London, at the offices of Wayra, a startup accelerator (read: trendy office) near Euston station.
More details at http://dnadigest.org/event/wiki-editathon/.
All the best,
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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Richard
I was too busy to lend a hand - hope it all went well.
best wishes Edward Hands
All,
Looking for something to do tomorrow evening?
Harry Mitchell has asked me to promote an event happening in London, near Euston. It's a genetics editathon - but knowledge of the subject isn't required, as experts will be on hand!
Food and drink are being provided. The evening will look like this:
# 17:30 Teas, Coffees and drinks reception # 17:45 Introduction to problems; resources; markup; references; materials # 18:00 Break out into into sub groups or individuals # 18:10 Editathon begins. First session # 19:00 Teas and Coffee Break # 19:20 Editathon begins. Second session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) # 20:20 Teas and Coffee Break # 20:30 Editathon begins. Third session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) # 21:45 Close + Wrap up # 21:50 Pizzas, networking + Socialising.
Should be a good evening. It's being held at 2 Capper Street, London, at the offices of Wayra, a startup accelerator (read: trendy office) near Euston station.
More details at http://dnadigest.org/event/wiki-editathon/.
All the best,
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Word in the office was that it was an "ideal editathon" with smart students and enthusiastic trainers!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 30 May 2014 11:25, Edward Hands edwardxx@gmail.com wrote:
Richard
I was too busy to lend a hand - hope it all went well.
best wishes Edward Hands
All,
Looking for something to do tomorrow evening?
Harry Mitchell has asked me to promote an event happening in London, near Euston. It's a genetics editathon - but knowledge of the subject isn't required, as experts will be on hand!
Food and drink are being provided. The evening will look like this:
17:30 Teas, Coffees and drinks reception 17:45 Introduction to problems; resources; markup; references; materials 18:00 Break out into into sub groups or individuals 18:10 Editathon begins. First session 19:00 Teas and Coffee Break 19:20 Editathon begins. Second session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) 20:20 Teas and Coffee Break 20:30 Editathon begins. Third session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) 21:45 Close + Wrap up 21:50 Pizzas, networking + Socialising.
Should be a good evening. It's being held at 2 Capper Street, London, at the offices of Wayra, a startup accelerator (read: trendy office) near Euston station.
More details at http://dnadigest.org/event/wiki-editathon/.
All the best,
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Richard
That's what we like to hear. Of course, whether any of them will ever edit on a regular basis remains the elephant in the room...
Edward
Word in the office was that it was an "ideal editathon" with smart students and enthusiastic trainers!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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On 30 May 2014 11:25, Edward Hands <edwardxx@gmail.com mailto:edwardxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard I was too busy to lend a hand - hope it all went well. best wishes Edward HandsAll, Looking for something to do tomorrow evening? Harry Mitchell has asked me to promote an event happening in London, near Euston. It's a genetics editathon - but knowledge of the subject isn't required, as experts will be on hand! Food and drink are being provided. The evening will look like this:# 17:30 Teas, Coffees and drinks reception # 17:45 Introduction to problems; resources; markup; references; materials # 18:00 Break out into into sub groups or individuals # 18:10 Editathon begins. First session # 19:00 Teas and Coffee Break # 19:20 Editathon begins. Second session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) # 20:20 Teas and Coffee Break # 20:30 Editathon begins. Third session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) # 21:45 Close + Wrap up # 21:50 Pizzas, networking + Socialising.
Should be a good evening. It's being held at 2 Capper Street, London, at the offices of Wayra, a startup accelerator (read: trendy office) near Euston station. More details at http://dnadigest.org/event/wiki-editathon/. All the best, Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK:https://wikimedia.org.uk------------------------------------------------------------------------ <http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/> protection is active. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Well done, Harry and the team!
I think the question of the very low conversion rate of editathon editors into regular editors is a well-studied problem. We know from similar efforts in other countries that effectively persuading people to take up a new hobby with all its time commitments is not an easy job, and getting a rate as high as 5% is considered hugely successful. I know from the UK Monthly report that Toni is collecting statistics and looking at ways of following up to encourage the conversion, so I'm hopeful we can learn ways of nurturing our contacts and help create new editors.
On 30 May 2014 15:35, rexx rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
I think the question of the very low conversion rate of editathon editors
into regular editors is a well-studied problem.
I'm fairly relaxed about it.
Anecdotally I know some people I've trained have returned to editing after a long period (a year or more), or have continued editing occasionally, as IP editors. Others may not have edited again, but act as advocates, telling other people that they can edit (and this includes librarians and archivists I've trained, who speak to potential new editors every working day). Even if all we achieve is to get someone to stop decrying Wikipedia as unreliable, or to donate in our yearly drives, that's something.
One of my trainees, for example, wrote < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisel_Haas%3E and never edited again (at least, not from that account). Wikipedia is still better for having that article, and I'm glad that the effort I invested resulted in it.
Helping people better understand Wikipedia is very useful, but because it's much more difficult to measure than checking whether someone is still editing four weeks later it is perhaps under-rated.
On 30 May 2014 17:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 30 May 2014 15:35, rexx rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
I think the question of the very low conversion rate of editathon editors
into regular editors is a well-studied problem.
I'm fairly relaxed about it.
Anecdotally I know some people I've trained have returned to editing after a long period (a year or more), or have continued editing occasionally, as IP editors. Others may not have edited again, but act as advocates, telling other people that they can edit (and this includes librarians and archivists I've trained, who speak to potential new editors every working day). Even if all we achieve is to get someone to stop decrying Wikipedia as unreliable, or to donate in our yearly drives, that's something.
One of my trainees, for example, wrote < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisel_Haas%3E and never edited again (at least, not from that account). Wikipedia is still better for having that article, and I'm glad that the effort I invested resulted in it.
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On 30 May 2014 17:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: ...
Anecdotally I know some people I've trained have returned to editing after a long period (a year or more), or have continued editing occasionally, as IP editors. Others may not have edited again, but act as advocates, telling other people that they can edit (and this includes librarians and archivists I've trained, who speak to potential new editors every working day). Even if all we achieve is to get someone to stop decrying Wikipedia as unreliable, or to donate in our yearly drives, that's something.
It would be quite easy to create a report tracking user accounts created at editathons (even if only a small proportion were noted) and seeing what patterns emerge. After spending a few years watching long term accounts on Commons, many accounts vanish for extended periods, such as Andy's example of a year, and then return with fresh enthusiasm. Some editors return and just start a new account, so they look like they vanished forever.
My past experience was an "editor creation rate" of around 20% of editors. However this was only looking at the first month after creating an account for an editathon, and I would expect the estimate of a 5% long term retention is probably right. This is something I would expect the UK Chapter to address in its metrics programme in order to justify more funding.
Anecdotally again, many new editors get spooked after having their first few warning notices (*especially* GLAM users getting notices or quizzed about Conflict of Interest), or an bad experience with having a couple of hours work on an article getting reverted for reasons that they have difficulty understanding or by a "less than helpful" highly experienced Wikipedia editor. On Commons there are similar patterns, and I see some of this on OTRS with very frustrated new users that started helping with interesting uploads but ran into (from their point of view) bureaucratic processes for copyright verification, or hard to understand challenges to their statements that they hold the copyright. Of course, sometimes they do not, and that can be really hard to explain how cautious Commons and Wikipedia can be with "no copyright known" or jointly authored material.
BTW, I am not too disillusioned by 5%. A factor to consider is how we "qualify" attendees for a training event rather than haphazardly just doing more events and hoping that the (WMF desired) outcome of more long term Wikipedia editors might go up. We should also consider how to run training events not targeted at creating editors but other ways of using content or cooperation with non-core projects - like WikiTravel, Open Street Map or WikiQueer, which may make available useful public knowledge that would struggle to meet the ever challenging notability or COI strictures of the English Wikipedia. At the end of the day, the shared vision here is to preserve and provide access to all human knowledge, whatever the technology is to achieve it.
Fae
Hi Edward,
Thanks for the moral support! The crowd were all very keen, and for the most part already very technologically literate, so I'm hopeful. And plans are already afoot for a follow-up event in a few months' time.
Best,
Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
On Friday, 30 May 2014, 18:45, Edward Hands edwardxx@gmail.com wrote:
Richard
That's what we like to hear. Of course, whether any of them will ever edit on a regular basis remains the elephant in the room...
Edward
Word in the office was that it was an "ideal editathon" with smart students and enthusiastic trainers!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 30 May 2014 11:25, Edward Hands edwardxx@gmail.com wrote:
Richard
I was too busy to lend a hand - hope it all went well.
best wishes Edward Hands
All,
Looking for something to do tomorrow evening?
Harry Mitchell has asked me to promote an event happening in London, near Euston. It's a genetics editathon - but knowledge of the subject isn't required, as experts will be on hand!
Food and drink are being provided. The evening will look like this:
17:30 Teas, Coffees and drinks reception 17:45 Introduction to problems; resources; markup; references; materials 18:00 Break out into into sub groups or individuals 18:10 Editathon begins. First session 19:00 Teas and Coffee Break 19:20 Editathon begins. Second session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) 20:20 Teas and Coffee Break 20:30 Editathon begins. Third session (Opportunity to switch areas of interest) 21:45 Close + Wrap up 21:50 Pizzas, networking + Socialising.
Should be a good evening. It's being held at 2 Capper Street, London, at the offices of Wayra, a startup accelerator (read: trendy office) near Euston station.
More details at http://dnadigest.org/event/wiki-editathon/.
All the best,
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
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