I'm pretty sure CC BY-NC-SA is not compatible with the licences on Commons.
They could be uploaded and used on en-wiki with a fair use rationale, the same as any other non-free image.
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Rexx
On 29 April 2020 at 13:30 John Byrne john@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:
So can we put them on Commons? Or use them from a Wikipedia file? John > > On 29 April 2020 at 13:00 wikimediauk-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:Send Wikimediauk-l mailing list submissions to wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimediauk-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimediauk-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikimediauk-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. British Museum makes 1.9m images available under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 (Owen Blacker) 2. Re: British Museum makes 1.9m images available under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 (Katie Crampton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:43:06 +0100 From: Owen Blacker < owen@blacker.me.uk mailto:owen@blacker.me.uk > To: Wikimedia UK list < wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] British Museum makes 1.9m images available under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Message-ID: < CALh-06k65DctkxK9VbD_8Y6bFEDPT0yyGk_y17HBsaxQytZNDQ@mail.gmail.com mailto:CALh-06k65DctkxK9VbD_8Y6bFEDPT0yyGk_y17HBsaxQytZNDQ@mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That it's a non-commercial licence is really disappointing, but that's still a little better than nothing… https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/04/28/british-museum-makes-1-9-million-images-available-for-free/ The British Museum has revamped its online collections database, making over 1.9 million photos of its collection available for free online under a Creative Commons license. Under the new agreement the majority of the 1.9 million images are being made available for anyone to use for free under a Creative Commons 4.0 license < " rel="noopener" target="_blank" data-mce-href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/>">https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ . Users no longer need to register to use these photographs, and can now download them directly from the British Museum. Under the terms of the Creative Commons license, you are free to share and adapt the images for non-commercial use, but must include a credit to the British Museum. [continues] -- Owen Blacker, London GB @owenblacker < http://twitter.com/owenblacker>
Public domain for 2D works applies for old 2D artefacts, like manuscripts or flat decorated objects. The examples I've seen include objects like 15th C. drawings, which the claim of "copyright of the Trustees" may be safely ignored as there is no new creativity in the likely automated scans being made. Obviously, if the 2D object is modern and has some original copyright, then reproductions of it are copyrighted.
There are past archived discussions on Commons, including deletion requests, which cover this specifically for the unrealistic and unenforceable claims of copyright of public domain material by the British Library.
Hopefully, you recall this is a very old discussion, indeed Roger and myself presented many years ago to a full staff meeting at the British Library on this exact topic. As a result, most of the BL website had the copyright claim removed, so it's unfortunate that this announcement is effectively walking back that progress for open knowledge and instead promotes the use of "noncommercial" which very much hampers public value and reuse, including scaring off many academics from using public domain images in publications.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 17:39, Rex X rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
I'm pretty sure CC BY-NC-SA is not compatible with the licences on Commons.
They could be uploaded and used on en-wiki with a fair use rationale, the same as any other non-free image.
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Rexx
On 29 April 2020 at 13:30 John Byrne john@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:
So can we put them on Commons? Or use them from a Wikipedia file? John
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That it's a non-commercial licence is really disappointing, but that's still a little better than nothing…
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/04/28/british-museum-makes-1-9-million...
The British Museum has revamped its online collections database, making over 1.9 million photos of its collection available for free online under a Creative Commons license.
Under the new agreement the majority of the 1.9 million images are being made available for anyone to use for free under a Creative Commons 4.0 license < " rel="noopener" target="_blank" data-mce-href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/%3E%22%3Ehttps://creativec.... Users no longer need to register to use these photographs, and can now download them directly from the British Museum.
Under the terms of the Creative Commons license, you are free to share and adapt the images for non-commercial use, but must include a credit to the British Museum. [continues] -- Owen Blacker, London GB @owenblacker < http://twitter.com/owenblacker%3E
I do indeed recall the previous discussions, and I'm as opposed as anyone to the practice of public custodians of our heritage attempting to claim a fresh copyright for their reproductions of public domain art.
Although Bridgeman v Corel is highly influential for the USA, we must be aware that the UK sets a low bar for "sweat of the brow". The best we have is the 2015 statement from the Intellectual Property Office that says "it seems unlikely that what is merely a retouched, digitised image of an older work can be considered as ‘original’". Unfortunately that depends on the Court of Justice of the European Union, and there's no case law I'm aware of that will guarantee the IPO's view will prevail as we withdraw from the EU.
What this means is that it's okay for US citizens to upload reproductions of 2D art, but UK dwellers need to be cautious, as some public bodies have been known to spend taxpayers' money on pursuing their copyright claims. A private citizen might not have access to the resources needed to defend themselves even from a frivolous action.
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