You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the "Aerofilms collection"...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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The site says "Crown Copyright".
On 26 June 2012 12:24, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the "Aerofilms collection"...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/%C2%A0and @wikimediauk
On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Not quite - the "legalities" section says " The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated."
Bit of a pain, but I suspect that the copyright of most of the image is murky at best :s
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
On 29 June 2012 21:18, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
The site says "Crown Copyright".
On 26 June 2012 12:24, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the "Aerofilms collection"...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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As I said in my first mail ;-)
But it does say "Crown copyright and..." not "Crown Copyright or...".
After Wikimania, I may give them a call to discuss and clarify.
In any case, some, by anonymous photographers, are outside the 75 year barrier.
On 29 June 2012 22:01, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Not quite - the "legalities" section says " The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated."
Bit of a pain, but I suspect that the copyright of most of the image is murky at best :s
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/%C2%A0and @wikimediauk
On 29 June 2012 21:18, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
The site says "Crown Copyright".
On 26 June 2012 12:24, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the "Aerofilms collection"...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/%C2%A0and @wikimediauk
On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Well any that were originally Crown Copyright and originally published more than 50 years ago are public domain. The trouble is likely to be sifting out which, if nay, of the images fit that description. ---- Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ
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________________________________ From: Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:01 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Copyright of images on 'Britain from the Air' website
Not quite - the "legalities" section says " The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated."
Bit of a pain, but I suspect that the copyright of most of the image is murky at best :s
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer%C2%A0 Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/%C2%A0and @wikimediauk
On 29 June 2012 21:18, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
The site says "Crown Copyright".
On 26 June 2012 12:24, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the "Aerofilms collection"...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/%C2%A0and @wikimediauk
On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Andy, we are very pally with "Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales..."
I'm encouraging them to release 150 pics that are both in and out of copyright about copyright. They say they will release much more after this. I think they will listen to your argument. The experiment shound finish is 3 months.
Should put pressure on rest of UK if this trick comes off
Roger
On 29 June 2012 22:01, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Not quite - the "legalities" section says " The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated."
Bit of a pain, but I suspect that the copyright of most of the image is murky at best :s
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
On 29 June 2012 21:18, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
The site says "Crown Copyright".
On 26 June 2012 12:24, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I don't think so - I think they're probably still copyrighted to the "Aerofilms collection"...
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
On 26 June 2012 12:10, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You may have seen a buzz on social media in the last couple of days, about a new website, 'Britain from the Air':
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
which features http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/about-project:
images from the Aerofilms collection... Dating from 1919 to 2006... purchased by Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland, English Heritage and the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales... in 2007.
The site-wide copyright statement, on http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/legalities, is somewhat ambiguous:
The images, information and data featured on this website are subject to Crown Copyright and other Intellectual Property Rights held by the Partners and Individual Contributors as indicated. There are also copyrights relating to the database itself and to the design, structure and code employed in the website.
Has anyone found an image on the site with a copyright notice excepting it from the default Crown Copyright?
Presumably, the use of Crown Copyright means that we're at liberty to use images that are over 50 years old, like this 1928 shot of Birmingham:
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022585?search=birmingham&ref...
on Commons and Wikipedia?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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