I've just had the best Communications Committee meeting ever, in which I got so angry I lost the power to form sentences. James: your story about how you were greeted at Wikimania? I now empathise.
There are several people at higher levels of the Foundation who have taken a stance of Foundation versus volunteers. This isn't actually necessary, but the people in question have stated they officially don't care.
As such, I don't plan to do much for the Foundation in the immediate future that isn't expressly for Wikipedia itself. I'll see what I'm up to otherwise and how this works with Wikimedia UK. Call this cooling off time.
- d.
On 3/18/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I've just had the best Communications Committee meeting ever, in which I got so angry I lost the power to form sentences. James: your story about how you were greeted at Wikimania? I now empathise.
There are several people at higher levels of the Foundation who have taken a stance of Foundation versus volunteers. This isn't actually necessary, but the people in question have stated they officially don't care.
As such, I don't plan to do much for the Foundation in the immediate future that isn't expressly for Wikipedia itself. I'll see what I'm up to otherwise and how this works with Wikimedia UK. Call this cooling off time.
- d.
I don't know what this is about, but it is very unfortunate. I'm not sure who you're talking about or what they have said, but have you checked with them? Maybe this should be debated in open channels?
Cormac
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On 18/03/06, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know what this is about, but it is very unfortunate. I'm not sure who you're talking about or what they have said, but have you checked with them? Maybe this should be debated in open channels?
I think I'll call that email an example of a speech one regrets five minutes later. I'm being dragged back in already and will shut the hell up now. My sincere apologies to all.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
I think I'll call that email an example of a speech one regrets five minutes later. I'm being dragged back in already and will shut the hell up now. My sincere apologies to all.
That's ok. We all know you French are prone to tantrums. ;-)
(If anyone OUTSIDE this list reads this someday and takes it as a slam on the French or on David, please RELAX and SIT DOWN AND TAKE A REST.)
The hell? Christ, this sort of Foundation-level bollocks sounds like it's increasing. I don't blame you for taking a break from it.
Obviously I don't want to pry directly, but I would be interested in hearing what happened...
Rob Church
On 18/03/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I've just had the best Communications Committee meeting ever, in which I got so angry I lost the power to form sentences. James: your story about how you were greeted at Wikimania? I now empathise.
There are several people at higher levels of the Foundation who have taken a stance of Foundation versus volunteers. This isn't actually necessary, but the people in question have stated they officially don't care.
As such, I don't plan to do much for the Foundation in the immediate future that isn't expressly for Wikipedia itself. I'll see what I'm up to otherwise and how this works with Wikimedia UK. Call this cooling off time.
- d.
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On 3/18/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
The hell? Christ, this sort of Foundation-level bollocks sounds like it's increasing. I don't blame you for taking a break from it.
Obviously I don't want to pry directly, but I would be interested in hearing what happened...
Rob Church
I'm increasingly worried by how the foundation is being perceived in general. There may be inconsistencies and insufficiencies, but we are only human, all of us. And on that note, I'm delighted that you've reconsidered, David :-)
Cormac
On 18/03/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I've just had the best Communications Committee meeting ever, in which I got so angry I lost the power to form sentences. James: your story about how you were greeted at Wikimania? I now empathise.
There are several people at higher levels of the Foundation who have taken a stance of Foundation versus volunteers. This isn't actually necessary, but the people in question have stated they officially don't care.
As such, I don't plan to do much for the Foundation in the immediate future that isn't expressly for Wikipedia itself. I'll see what I'm up to otherwise and how this works with Wikimedia UK. Call this cooling off time.
- d.
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Then the Foundation needs to look at the reasons for the "misperception" and perhaps adopt a bit of consistency if it wants them fixed.
And as David seems to be asking without asking...I'll drop the issue.
Rob Church
On 18/03/06, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/18/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
The hell? Christ, this sort of Foundation-level bollocks sounds like it's increasing. I don't blame you for taking a break from it.
Obviously I don't want to pry directly, but I would be interested in hearing what happened...
Rob Church
I'm increasingly worried by how the foundation is being perceived in general. There may be inconsistencies and insufficiencies, but we are only human, all of us. And on that note, I'm delighted that you've reconsidered, David :-)
Cormac
On 18/03/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I've just had the best Communications Committee meeting ever, in which I got so angry I lost the power to form sentences. James: your story about how you were greeted at Wikimania? I now empathise.
There are several people at higher levels of the Foundation who have taken a stance of Foundation versus volunteers. This isn't actually necessary, but the people in question have stated they officially don't care.
As such, I don't plan to do much for the Foundation in the immediate future that isn't expressly for Wikipedia itself. I'll see what I'm up to otherwise and how this works with Wikimedia UK. Call this cooling off time.
- d.
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On 3/18/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
Then the Foundation needs to look at the reasons for the "misperception" and perhaps adopt a bit of consistency if it wants them fixed.
Point taken, but I'd also point out that the foundation is in exactly the same position as this charity is (ie. volunteers and board), and communication does not always happen the way you'd want it. I already asked about access to the WMUK internal wiki, which never got a response - that annoyed me a bit too. But I'm not pointing fingers - and I'm asking others not to be so quick to do so either. (Not that I'm saying you are doing that here, Rob :-))
(Is that enough "not"s for you?)
Cormac
On 3/19/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
Then the Foundation needs to look at the reasons for the "misperception" and perhaps adopt a bit of consistency if it wants them fixed.
And as David seems to be asking without asking...I'll drop the issue.
Dropping the issue isn't going to solve it. Just as David walking out wouldn't have done (I'm very glad he reconsidered).
Angela.
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