2009/3/18 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
Is this true?
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2009/3/18 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
Is this true?
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
Oh come on... :P
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/3/18 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
Is this true?
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
Will you kick me out if I show up too? :-)
Cary
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/3/18 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
Is this true?
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
Will you kick me out if I show up too? :-)
Cary
I'm not a member, but I intend to go. Will I get kicked out?
2009/3/18 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
I'm not a member, but I intend to go. Will I get kicked out?
Why aren't you a member? I can't see why anybody would be interested in going to the AGM without wanting to join...
2009/3/18 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com:
2009/3/18 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
I'm not a member, but I intend to go. Will I get kicked out?
Why aren't you a member? I can't see why anybody would be interested in going to the AGM without wanting to join...
PS Other than people coming to give a talk, that is.
To clarify (if it needed it), this was discussed at the board meeting this week and we decided non-members are perfectly welcome to attend.
Tom
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2009/3/18 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com:
2009/3/18 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
I'm not a member, but I intend to go. Will I get kicked out?
Why aren't you a member? I can't see why anybody would be interested in going to the AGM without wanting to join...
PS Other than people coming to give a talk, that is.
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com wrote:
To clarify (if it needed it), this was discussed at the board meeting this week and we decided non-members are perfectly welcome to attend.
Tom
Good. I do intend to join at some point, just not at this moment :) I still maintain an interest in it nonetheless.
2009/3/18 Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com:
To clarify (if it needed it), this was discussed at the board meeting this week and we decided non-members are perfectly welcome to attend.
Ok, a general invitation is fine (I've found the discussion in the IRC log, but I can't see it in the minutes - all decisions need to be minuted), but you'll need to give some thought to how you are going to conduct the meeting. I can see two options - separate seating areas for members and non-members, or voting cards. (If we have a very small turnout we can just rely on the chair knowing who is and isn't a member, but hopefully we'll get more people than that!)
I know some people think I am being overly formal and strict about this kind of stuff, but the AGM of a limited company, particularly a charitable one, is a serious event and needs to be handled properly. This isn't just a bunch of people from the internet getting together for a pint and a chat about what we're going to do, it's an official meeting of the membership if a charitable company.
I think having two areas is a good idea plus voting cards to avoid confusion.
Discussion amoungst members should be as free flowing as possible but directed
by the chair. If non-members wish to add to the discussion, they must be recognised
by the chair to be able to make a comment.
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:19:23 +0000 From: thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Jimbo at the AGM
2009/3/18 Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com:
To clarify (if it needed it), this was discussed at the board meeting this week and we decided non-members are perfectly welcome to attend.
Ok, a general invitation is fine (I've found the discussion in the IRC log, but I can't see it in the minutes - all decisions need to be minuted), but you'll need to give some thought to how you are going to conduct the meeting. I can see two options - separate seating areas for members and non-members, or voting cards. (If we have a very small turnout we can just rely on the chair knowing who is and isn't a member, but hopefully we'll get more people than that!)
I know some people think I am being overly formal and strict about this kind of stuff, but the AGM of a limited company, particularly a charitable one, is a serious event and needs to be handled properly. This isn't just a bunch of people from the internet getting together for a pint and a chat about what we're going to do, it's an official meeting of the membership if a charitable company.
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2009/3/18 joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sweet@hotmail.co.uk:
I think having two areas is a good idea plus voting cards to avoid confusion. Discussion amoungst members should be as free flowing as possible but directed by the chair. If non-members wish to add to the discussion, they must be recognised by the chair to be able to make a comment.
We need to be careful with voting, but I think we can just make it up as we go along with discussion. If some people are hogging the floor, particularly non-members, then the chair can intervene and start directing who can speak when, but if everything is going fine with free-form discussion we might as well let non-members join in.
2009/3/18 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com:
2009/3/18 joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sweet@hotmail.co.uk:
I think having two areas is a good idea plus voting cards to avoid confusion. Discussion amoungst members should be as free flowing as possible but directed by the chair. If non-members wish to add to the discussion, they must be recognised by the chair to be able to make a comment.
We need to be careful with voting, but I think we can just make it up as we go along with discussion. If some people are hogging the floor, particularly non-members, then the chair can intervene and start directing who can speak when, but if everything is going fine with free-form discussion we might as well let non-members join in.
I'd suggest getting the meeting bit over with expeditiously (as long as needed but not a moment longer), with someone saying "Non-members are welcome to observe, but please don't interrupt. Could members come over here please ..."
- d.
On Mar 18, 8:19 pm, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/18 Tom Holden thomas.hol...@gmail.com:
To clarify (if it needed it), this was discussed at the board meeting this week and we decided non-members are perfectly welcome to attend.
Ok, a general invitation is fine (I've found the discussion in the IRC log, but I can't see it in the minutes - all decisions need to be minuted),
Good point - I've revised the minutes to add this in.
but you'll need to give some thought to how you are going to conduct the meeting. I can see two options - separate seating areas for members and non-members, or voting cards. (If we have a very small turnout we can just rely on the chair knowing who is and isn't a member, but hopefully we'll get more people than that!)
Yes, we do. As will come clear when the notice is sent out (hopefully Friday) most of the meeting will be informal talks, discussions and presentations. The distinction between member and non-members will not be an issue here. This also applies to the hustings. The formal part where the distinction matetrs will probably only last about 30 minutes.
Voting for the Board will probably be entirely in paper form. I imagine members who haven't already voted electronically will be given a paper ballot paper to fill in and they will be counted by hand.
Voting for the resolutions will probably be a mixture of a show of hands plus the electronic votes. In this case, the chair needs to make sure he can distinguish between members and non-members. If the result is at all close, the tellers will have to organise a paper vote. Obviously we won't know till we get there, but I could see this happening with your resolution but all the others will probably be clear majorities.
I know some people think I am being overly formal and strict about this kind of stuff, but the AGM of a limited company, particularly a charitable one, is a serious event and needs to be handled properly. This isn't just a bunch of people from the internet getting together for a pint and a chat about what we're going to do, it's an official meeting of the membership if a charitable company.
Indeed! No harm in doing things correctly.
Andrew
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2009/3/18 Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com:
I know some people think I am being overly formal and strict about this kind of stuff, but the AGM of a limited company, particularly a charitable one, is a serious event and needs to be handled properly. This isn't just a bunch of people from the internet getting together for a pint and a chat about what we're going to do, it's an official meeting of the membership if a charitable company.
My earlier comment was purely in jest - this is of course a serious event for the company and we should follow all necessary procedures. This isn't a two-bit job or a meetup of Wikimedians, this is a legal event and should be treated as such.
Regards,
2009/3/19 Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com:
My earlier comment was purely in jest
Yeah, I got that from the emoticon - you're alright!
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2009/3/18 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
I'm not a member, but I intend to go. Will I get kicked out?
Why aren't you a member? I can't see why anybody would be interested in going to the AGM without wanting to join...
I've simply been far too busy to think of things like this. I'm also not made of money! I'd really like a good reason to part with my money. I'm still totally uncertain as to what Wikimedia UK is actually for...
The reason why I am interested is I think it would nice to be there, as I am so close anyway, and to see the board in person.
If this is not acceptable, I can always save £3 bus fare and stay at home :)
2009/3/18 Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org:
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/3/18 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
Is this true?
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
Will you kick me out if I show up too? :-)
There's a simple way to avoid that - just join!
On 18 Mar 2009, at 19:51, Cary Bass wrote:
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
Will you kick me out if I show up too? :-)
Cary
I don't think there'll be any kicking out, unless anyone becomes disruptive. I think it'd be great if you could turn up, Cary.
Mike
So what are the interesting parts of the AGM?
The BBC / Jimbo / both?
Gordo
At 12:51 -0700 18/3/09, Cary Bass wrote:
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/3/18 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com:
According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
Is this true?
If it is, there is a minor issue - is he a member? If not, he's not actually welcome at the AGM without an official invite! (It's a minor formality, but the board should actually invite him if he's going to come.)
Will you kick me out if I show up too? :-)
Cary
No, I will buy you a beer!
Gordo
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