http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
I'm going to spend tonight looking for some MilHist related articles...
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
-- Roger Bamkin
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Richard,
They've got a VC and two museums including http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Monmouth_Regimental_Museum which even has an Armoured car outside.
WSC
On 30 December 2011 18:50, Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to spend tonight looking for some MilHist related articles...
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
-- Roger Bamkin
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
I've just found the *six* ships named HMS Monmouth. It'd be nice to get a plaque inside the wardroom (officer's mess) of the most recent one!
On 30 December 2011 23:00, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.comwrote:
Richard,
They've got a VC and two museums including http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Monmouth_Regimental_Museumwhich even has an Armoured car outside.
WSC
On 30 December 2011 18:50, Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to spend tonight looking for some MilHist related articles...
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
-- Roger Bamkin
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
REMOVE ME FROM THE LIST PLEASE.
Thank you
________________________________ From: Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011, 23:16 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia
I've just found the six ships named HMS Monmouth. It'd be nice to get a plaque inside the wardroom (officer's mess) of the most recent one!
On 30 December 2011 23:00, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Richard,
They've got a VC and two museums including http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Monmouth_Regimental_Museum which even has an Armoured car outside.
WSC
On 30 December 2011 18:50, Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to spend tonight looking for some MilHist related articles...
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - and we should be mentioned. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times.
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea. It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that. The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
--
Roger Bamkin
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Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Done...
Mike
On 30 Dec 2011, at 23:31, findingmaths@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
REMOVE ME FROM THE LIST PLEASE. Thank you
From: Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011, 23:16 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia
I've just found the six ships named HMS Monmouth. It'd be nice to get a plaque inside the wardroom (officer's mess) of the most recent one!
On 30 December 2011 23:00, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote: Richard,
They've got a VC and two museums including http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Monmouth_Regimental_Museum which even has an Armoured car outside.
WSC
On 30 December 2011 18:50, Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to spend tonight looking for some MilHist related articles...
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - and we should be mentioned. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping. I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times.
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364 I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea. It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that. The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
-- Roger Bamkin
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Unfortunately the media industry does have a habit of making noun generalizations, whether we like it or not. To them, Wikipedia refers to the entire movement. At least they stopped calling us "wiki".
That said, I agree more work can be done to promote Wikimedia UK as a local organisation, and to that end Roger did a good job. On Dec 30, 2011 5:15 PM, "Roger Bamkin" victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
-- Roger Bamkin
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - and we should be mentioned. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping. I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times.
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to write local history about your local area (your local library will have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for articles.
I would agree about the difficulty of getting access to local sources (although I might have a go at Monmouth Castle which deserves a better article than it has got), but I wondered how broadly Monmouthpedia is being interpreted?
The Monmouth Rebellion is relevant to my neck of the woods - but probably not that significant for the town - would that be included?
Rod
The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to write local history about your local area (your local library will have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for articles.
Great to see this interest! I also have editors ready to translate when we have some improved articles.
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can "have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
I've included John on the list to make sure he knows and he can hopefully forward the requests. I know its not very easy but it is possible. As far as interpretation goes. Derby Museum used the rule that if the article had a link then it was relevant. So a bio of an artist who cad stuff in [[Derby Museum]] was relevant....
So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky to link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]
John is looking for someone who can do some grome-ish stuff. He wants to allow editors to claim points for writing articles. There is a proven system at the GLAM/Derby pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby/Multilingual_Challenge. Does someone fancy moving the important bits to the MonmouthpediA pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediAand zeroing everything so we are ready to allow editors to claim points etc.???
Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes Monmouth Castle - Go for it! There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may be local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.
If we can make a new or 5x expanded article then I'll get it on DYK - has to be done in <5 days
MonmouthpediA is to be on Radio 4 on Tuesday - be nice to say we are getting into 2nd gear
Thanks for the interest Happy New Year! Roger B
On 31 December 2011 09:25, Rod Ward rodward@plus.net wrote:
I would agree about the difficulty of getting access to local sources (although I might have a go at Monmouth Castle which deserves a better article than it has got), but I wondered how broadly Monmouthpedia is being interpreted?
The Monmouth Rebellion is relevant to my neck of the woods - but probably not that significant for the town - would that be included?
Rod
The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to write local history about your local area (your local library will have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for articles.
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On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can "have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
HUGE WIN! What was the process of convincing them? That's definitely one to duplicate!
- d.
Seconded - that's fantastic news!
Also, I might as well put it on record that I am more than happy to help with any bot programming that might be of use during these sort of initiatives. (I was reminded by the idea of scoring, having spent this morning updating the WikiCup bot to a 2012 specification, but you name, I'd be happy to contribute.)
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On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:45 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can "have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
HUGE WIN! What was the process of convincing them? That's definitely one to duplicate!
- d.
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Hi Harry,
Not a Monmouthpedia issue, but I have two BotRequests outstanding:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_44#Date_template...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_44#Apply_templat...
Would you be interested in helping with them?
[Apologies if I've asked you before, and forgotten.]
Andy M.
On 31 December 2011 12:00, Harry Burt harryaburt@gmail.com wrote:
Seconded - that's fantastic news!
Also, I might as well put it on record that I am more than happy to help with any bot programming that might be of use during these sort of initiatives. (I was reminded by the idea of scoring, having spent this morning updating the WikiCup bot to a 2012 specification, but you name, I'd be happy to contribute.)
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:45 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can "have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
HUGE WIN! What was the process of convincing them? That's definitely one to duplicate!
- d.
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky to link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]
In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right After All, etc.)
Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes Monmouth Castle - Go for it! There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may be local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.
Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.
Andrew G - type monmouthpedia in to wikipedia or monmouthpedia.org into browser
There is the project page
@David Gerard - Thanks very much - the slides are at Monmouthpedia in Slideshare. The argument goes -
- we've done a museum, we can do your town - Monmouth societies publish things for "their mums and mates" - we'll give you thousands of readers - Google ranking - how does it work? ... Links.. what do we supply ... links - Why are you copyrighting your images - don't you want people to use them? - How much money are you making from your copyright protection excatly? - Can you find Monmouth Museum on a map in Spanish .... why not?
Wikicup bot? Thats exactly what we need!!!
On 31 December 2011 12:36, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky
to
link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]
In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right After All, etc.)
Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes Monmouth Castle - Go for it! There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may
be
local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.
Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.
--
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The ship... is, sometimes. The most recent one is technically named for the duke, although the previous five were named for the town. The current one is also officially affiliated with the town. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Monmouthshire_Royal_Engineers is also still, basically, a stub... would be nice to get it to GA!
Richard
On 31 December 2011 12:36, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky
to
link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]
In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right After All, etc.)
Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes Monmouth Castle - Go for it! There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may
be
local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.
Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.
--
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Aah I thought it unusual that you'd name ships after an illigitamete traitorous Duke .... although in time all is forgiven
Oh I found the presentation that John and I gave to Monmouth
its here
http://www.slideshare.net/RogerBamkin/monmouthpedia
On 31 December 2011 14:32, Richard Symonds chasemewiki@gmail.com wrote:
The ship... is, sometimes. The most recent one is technically named for the duke, although the previous five were named for the town. The current one is also officially affiliated with the town. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Monmouthshire_Royal_Engineers is also still, basically, a stub... would be nice to get it to GA!
Richard
On 31 December 2011 12:36, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie
tricky to
link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]
In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right After All, etc.)
Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes Monmouth Castle - Go for it! There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may
be
local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.
Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.
--
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Aah I thought it unusual that you'd name ships after an illigitamete traitorous Duke .... although in time all is forgiven
Interestingly enough, one of the HMS Monmouths was quite treasonous as well, taking part in the Nore Mutiny in 1797. Afterwards, while she was sailing to battle at Camperdown, her new captain exhorted the crew to "wash the stain off your character with the blood of your foes."
Don't you love it when two outreach projects overlap? ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HMS_Monmouth_%281796%29&action...
Chris
On 31 Dec 2011, at 11:32, Roger Bamkin wrote:
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can "have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
Is there a link here with Wikisource? Do they have digitized documents that could be hosted there? Or is there scope for a crowdsourced digitisation project here?
I've done a quick scout around Wikisource and archive.org to see what's there, but there isn't too much: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Monmouth Mostly focused on Geoffrey of Monmouth. There's a book related to the [[Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers]] available on archive, which Richard might be interested in.
Thanks, Mike
Oh yes - Wikisource has stuff to load and the museum have offered 10,000 pictures for commons.
This is a "Quid pro quo" deal
Mike's stuff looks interesting. I also searched ODNB for "Monmouth" and found so many with some tenuous connection to Monmouth under "B" that I stopped looking. Lots of people went to school in Monmouth as there are two posh schools there who trained "people for the empire" 100 years ago and quite a few notables.
On 31 December 2011 13:47, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
On 31 Dec 2011, at 11:32, Roger Bamkin wrote:
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can
"have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
Is there a link here with Wikisource? Do they have digitized documents that could be hosted there? Or is there scope for a crowdsourced digitisation project here?
I've done a quick scout around Wikisource and archive.org to see what's there, but there isn't too much: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Monmouth Mostly focused on Geoffrey of Monmouth. There's a book related to the [[Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers]] available on archive, which Richard might be interested in.
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On 31 December 2011 13:57, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
I also searched ODNB for "Monmouth" and found so many with some tenuous connection to Monmouth under "B" that I stopped looking. Lots of people went to school in Monmouth as there are two posh schools there who trained "people for the empire" 100 years ago and quite a few notables.
"Monmouthshire" in the ODNB full text is more reasonable - around 200 hits
and there are going to be fewer false positives in there. If someone can do a list of missing related DNB biographies (edition by 1912 to be PD text) then it could be posted to WP:WP DNB and we could have a look at it. This would be a way to get something new up quickly.
Charles
I've just sent out an email to 15 supporters (ie, donors, current members etc) who are from the Monmouth area. Hopefully we can get them involved too - they'll be contacting John or info@wikimedia.org.uk if they want to help.
Richard
On 31 December 2011 19:58, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 31 December 2011 13:57, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
I also searched ODNB for "Monmouth" and found so many with some tenuous connection to Monmouth under "B" that I stopped looking. Lots of people went to school in Monmouth as there are two posh schools there who trained "people for the empire" 100 years ago and quite a few notables.
"Monmouthshire" in the ODNB full text is more reasonable - around 200
hits and there are going to be fewer false positives in there. If someone can do a list of missing related DNB biographies (edition by 1912 to be PD text) then it could be posted to WP:WP DNB and we could have a look at it. This would be a way to get something new up quickly.
Charles
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On 31/12/2011 20:07, Richard Symonds wrote:
I've just sent out an email to 15 supporters (ie, donors, current members etc) who are from the Monmouth area. Hopefully we can get them involved too - they'll be contacting John or info@wikimedia.org.uk mailto:info@wikimedia.org.uk if they want to help.
Richard
Excellent.
Recruit and retain!
Gordo
Monmouth Museum have offered 10,000 digital images; 7,000 local historical and Charles Rolls and 3,000 about Admiral Nelson, a lot are previously unseen; ships logs (useful to climate scientists) and personal diaries.
I will talk to Mike Booth from the Shire Hall about what he has digitised, I know he has some stuff about the chartists especially about their trial.
The Archaeological Society are very keen but have very little time, I know they want to put their journals on Wikisource, they may have other things too.
Very glad to have you all involved, you're very welcome to make bold changes to the MonmouthpediA pages.
All the best
John
On 31 December 2011 13:47, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
On 31 Dec 2011, at 11:32, Roger Bamkin wrote:
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can
"have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
Is there a link here with Wikisource? Do they have digitized documents that could be hosted there? Or is there scope for a crowdsourced digitisation project here?
I've done a quick scout around Wikisource and archive.org to see what's there, but there isn't too much: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Monmouth Mostly focused on Geoffrey of Monmouth. There's a book related to the [[Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers]] available on archive, which Richard might be interested in.
Thanks, Mike
Ø Monmouth Castle - Go for it!
The castle article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_Castle has a bit of an expansion but could do with more from others.
I did have a problem getting the Monmouthshire map to work in the infobox so it currently has the Wales map instead.
I also came across the article for the Great Castle House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Castle_House) which hadnt been tagged for Monmouthpedia so there may be other relevant articles still to be spotted.
Rod
From: Roger Bamkin [mailto:victuallers@gmail.com] Sent: 31 December 2011 11:33 To: rod@rodspace.co.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: john cummings Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia
Great to see this interest! I also have editors ready to translate when we have some improved articles.
We have the Archaeological Society "signed up". They tell me that we can "have the lot" - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..
I've included John on the list to make sure he knows and he can hopefully forward the requests. I know its not very easy but it is possible. As far as interpretation goes. Derby Museum used the rule that if the article had a link then it was relevant. So a bio of an artist who cad stuff in [[Derby Museum]] was relevant....
So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky to link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]
John is looking for someone who can do some grome-ish stuff. He wants to allow editors to claim points for writing articles. There is a proven system at the GLAM/Derby page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby/Multilingual_Challenge . Does someone fancy moving the important bits to the MonmouthpediA page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA and zeroing everything so we are ready to allow editors to claim points etc.???
Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes Monmouth Castle - Go for it! There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may be local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.
If we can make a new or 5x expanded article then I'll get it on DYK - has to be done in <5 days
MonmouthpediA is to be on Radio 4 on Tuesday - be nice to say we are getting into 2nd gear
Thanks for the interest Happy New Year! Roger B
On 31 December 2011 09:25, Rod Ward rodward@plus.net wrote:
I would agree about the difficulty of getting access to local sources (although I might have a go at Monmouth Castle which deserves a better article than it has got), but I wondered how broadly Monmouthpedia is being interpreted?
The Monmouth Rebellion is relevant to my neck of the woods - but probably not that significant for the town - would that be included?
Rod
The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to write local history about your local area (your local library will have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for articles.
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On 31 December 2011 16:15, Rod Ward rodward@plus.net wrote:
I did have a problem getting the Monmouthshire map to work in the infobox so it currently has the Wales map instead.
Fixed. The map is called "Wales Monmouthshire" rather than "Monmouthshire" for some reason.
[[HMS *Monmouth* (1796)]] is at Did You Know. Our 2nd! Its a tenuous link to Monmouth, but its there. Thanks to Chris.
On 31 December 2011 16:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 December 2011 16:15, Rod Ward rodward@plus.net wrote:
I did have a problem getting the Monmouthshire map to work in the
infobox so
it currently has the Wales map instead.
Fixed. The map is called "Wales Monmouthshire" rather than "Monmouthshire" for some reason.
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I am slightly bugged about this. Local history, local geography, down to very small granularity was frowned upon in years past...
Onwards and upward?
Gordo
On 30/12/2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping./I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. /
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com mailto:thomas.dalton@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364 I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea. It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that. The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org-- Roger Bamkin
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Notability is still an issue Gordon. However the rules for places are "its on a map" and we will do histioric buildings but not every 1960s Church. AGF I think .... you will be surprised. We pulled out 100 items at Derby Museum and none were challenged on notability.
Roger.
On 31 December 2011 21:11, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
**
I am slightly bugged about this. Local history, local geography, down to very small granularity was frowned upon in years past...
Onwards and upward?
Gordo
On 30/12/2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council and I made the point that it was "Wikimedia UK" they were partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John cannot do this .... Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.
Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have "promises" of longer features. My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story "broke" because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran with it. I'm not surprised, this a "meme" of an idea.
The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says "got it .... lets do it". The only investment so far has been persuading "the town" that they want to do it..... and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone has said "yes ... how can we help". We have had a few who wanted to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.
This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would request however that people resist giving "a quick lesson in what you are doing wrong" to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *
Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.
I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
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On 31/12/2011 21:20, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Notability is still an issue Gordon. However the rules for places are "its on a map" and we will do histioric buildings but not every 1960s Church. AGF I think .... you will be surprised. We pulled out 100 items at Derby Museum and none were challenged on notability.
Roger.
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
Gordo
On 31 December 2011 21:54, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
Work down to the borough level. Walthamstow has an active historical society, for instance, who have churned out reams of highly citable text. Start at the local library and local museums and work outwards.
- d.
On 31/12/2011 21:58, David Gerard wrote:
On 31 December 2011 21:54, Gordon Jolygordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
Work down to the borough level. Walthamstow has an active historical society, for instance, who have churned out reams of highly citable text. Start at the local library and local museums and work outwards.
- d.
I see...... real people, not Wikipedians!
Gordo
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
I'm not sure I can compare Monmouthpedia with Project London. I only know about the former. Monmouth County Council have agreed to do this, every museum, every society we can find in the town. They are finding money and people to help us. The town councillors, the museum employees are doing stuff without being asked. John finds his way blocked by bureaucracy and we have people to phone to give us help. We have previously pitched a similar idea to two cities ... they are both still "thinking about it" .
We chose Monmouth at random cos someone suggested we do something novel in that town and wanted us to either do it or back them to do it. WMUK likes doing the latter... its what we do.
If someone could offer a similar deal in another town then I guess we would be (a bit) interested, however Monmouth will be the first place to try to be 100% Wikimedia (outside of a single GLAM ). If we manage this then WMUK can show that Wiki-pedia/ source/ and commons etc can partner a whole town.
We've never done that. We've never done anything, this size, outside England. We've never tried to involve the Welsh Wikipedia. I'm already thrilled to see that WMUK members outside Monmouth are having a go. I cannot see that a call to arms to focus on any other wikipedia project would be so successful (albeit its early days). People are seeing that this is different ... and challenging. John's ideas have been reported in several different languages, on TV and radio. I'm hoping this is going to show (e.g.) London (and other chapters) what they could do.
happy new year Roger
On 1 January 2012 12:17, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 31/12/2011 21:58, David Gerard wrote:
On 31 December 2011 21:54, Gordon Jolygordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
Work down to the borough level. Walthamstow has an active historical society, for instance, who have churned out reams of highly citable text. Start at the local library and local museums and work outwards.
- d.
I see...... real people, not Wikipedians!
Gordo
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On 1 January 2012 15:25, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
If someone could offer a similar deal in another town then I guess we would be (a bit) interested
I would hope you would be more than a bit interested. Are you not intending this to be a pilot that, should it go well, we get copied in other towns and cities around the country? It seems like a lot of effort to go to for one town if the lessons learnt aren't going to be used elsewhere.
OK I was maybe exagerating a point. But the point (as you say) is that this is interesting *as a pilot*. If successful then we end up with variations on the theme, but if we are to create a scalable model then they will need to work without the national media focus etc that MonmouthpediA is enjoying.
cheers R
On 1 January 2012 15:38, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 January 2012 15:25, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
If someone could offer a similar deal in another town then I guess we
would
be (a bit) interested
I would hope you would be more than a bit interested. Are you not intending this to be a pilot that, should it go well, we get copied in other towns and cities around the country? It seems like a lot of effort to go to for one town if the lessons learnt aren't going to be used elsewhere.
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On 1 January 2012 15:46, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
OK I was maybe exagerating a point. But the point (as you say) is that this is interesting as a pilot. If successful then we end up with variations on the theme, but if we are to create a scalable model then they will need to work without the national media focus etc that MonmouthpediA is enjoying.
yyyesss ... it may be less than ideal to implicitly promise the sort of slow-season coverage this is getting.
- d.
We've got some competition, it seems, from Ahmedabad, where there will be 230 people taking photos on Tuesday. Maybe someone should get in touch with them about QRpedia as well? :-D
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_wikimedia-commons-to-feature-more-of-ah...
Chris
On 01/01/2012 18:37, Chris Keating wrote:
We've got some competition, it seems, from Ahmedabad, where there will be 230 people taking photos on Tuesday. Maybe someone should get in touch with them about QRpedia as well? :-D
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_wikimedia-commons-to-feature-more-of-ah...
Chris
"Wikimedia Commons to feature more of Ahmedabad"
The Commons: a media repository, for current and future Wikimedia projects...
This reminds of a mapping party for OpenStreetMap. Don't think anybody will be writing articles, just creating images?
Gordo
On 01/01/2012 15:25, Roger Bamkin wrote:
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
I'm not sure I can compare Monmouthpedia with Project London. I only know about the former. Monmouth County Council have agreed to do this, every museum, every society we can find in the town. They are finding money and people to help us. The town councillors, the museum employees are doing stuff without being asked. John finds his way blocked by bureaucracy and we have people to phone to give us help. We have previously pitched a similar idea to two cities ... they are both still "thinking about it" .
We chose Monmouth at random cos someone suggested we do something novel in that town and wanted us to either do it or back them to do it. WMUK likes doing the latter... its what we do.
I think I had this in mind (and maybe not a close concept?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London
which I perceive as a "pure" Wikipedia project, like the Beer Project.
"New users should note that Wikipedia articles must have notability. (i.e. neither my mum, my dad or the house where I was born has a Wikipedia article). If you do write an article on something which the community decide is not important (ie not notable) then it will be deleted and this project can only offer sympathy. If you choose people from Who's Who and places that are on maps then you are O.K. Old important churches yes, any old church built in the 1960's .... probably not. That said .... have a go! BE BOLD!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Planned_Articles
Let us hope the good people of Monmouth (and beyond) will "em" bold "em", and not be put off Wikipedia for a few weeks/months/years (as I was)....
Gordo
Something like that seems a very good idea to me. We need to keep the number of deletions, reversions, etc. to a minimum so we don't get a lot of complaints. Doug
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 01/01/2012 15:25, Roger Bamkin wrote:
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
I'm not sure I can compare Monmouthpedia with Project London. I only know about the former. Monmouth County Council have agreed to do this, every museum, every society we can find in the town. They are finding money and people to help us. The town councillors, the museum employees are doing stuff without being asked. John finds his way blocked by bureaucracy and we have people to phone to give us help. We have previously pitched a similar idea to two cities ... they are both still "thinking about it" .
We chose Monmouth at random cos someone suggested we do something novel in that town and wanted us to either do it or back them to do it. WMUK likes doing the latter... its what we do.
I think I had this in mind (and maybe not a close concept?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London
which I perceive as a "pure" Wikipedia project, like the Beer Project.
"New users should note that Wikipedia articles must have notability. (i.e. neither my mum, my dad or the house where I was born has a Wikipedia article). If you do write an article on something which the community decide is not important (ie not notable) then it will be deleted and this project can only offer sympathy. If you choose people from Who's Who and places that are on maps then you are O.K. Old important churches yes, any old church built in the 1960's .... probably not. That said .... have a go! BE BOLD!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Planned_Articles
Let us hope the good people of Monmouth (and beyond) will "em" bold "em", and not be put off Wikipedia for a few weeks/months/years (as I was)....
Gordo
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On 02/01/2012 12:52, Gordon Joly wrote:
I think I had this in mind (and maybe not a close concept?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London
which I perceive as a "pure" Wikipedia project, like the Beer Project.
What of WP:CARDIFF?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CARDIFF
Gordo
On 31 December 2011 21:54, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 31/12/2011 21:20, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Notability is still an issue Gordon. However the rules for places are "its on a map" and we will do histioric buildings but not every 1960s Church. AGF I think .... you will be surprised. We pulled out 100 items at Derby Museum and none were challenged on notability.
Roger.
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
Gordo
Turn on the Wikipedia articles option on Google maps while looking at London. Its already well covered.
On 01/01/2012 08:27, geni wrote:
On 31 December 2011 21:54, Gordon Jolygordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 31/12/2011 21:20, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Notability is still an issue Gordon. However the rules for places are "its on a map" and we will do histioric buildings but not every 1960s Church. AGF I think .... you will be surprised. We pulled out 100 items at Derby Museum and none were challenged on notability.
Roger.
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from.... London (UK)? As a project?
Gordo
Turn on the Wikipedia articles option on Google maps while looking at London. Its already well covered.
Yes, I know. My question is this. What makes Monmouth different from London or Cardiff as a Wikiproject?
I found many geo-specific projects (including Cardiff on the English Wikipedia)......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Cities
Gordo
P.S. I prefer OpenStreetMap ....... since Google Maps have wonderfully wrong information that you cannot fix (point of interest type things etc).
I'm just copying this to John Cummings, can we add him to the list. I think hes asked but not managed it yet
Roger
On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364
I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.
It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.
The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.
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