I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
- d.
On 18 September 2014 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
That was via a Stevie Benton press release from the WMUK office. The
meetup is standard, but I tacked on the walk before it in honour of Wiki Loves Monuments. So it's not a major story, but perhaps something a local paper with go with once.
Charles
Great stuff - well done all. Hope it doesn't rain.
On 18 September 2014 10:58, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 18 September 2014 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
That was via a Stevie Benton press release from the WMUK office. The
meetup is standard, but I tacked on the walk before it in honour of Wiki Loves Monuments. So it's not a major story, but perhaps something a local paper with go with once.
Charles
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On 18 September 2014 11:08, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Great stuff - well done all. Hope it doesn't rain.
It occurs to me to ask for cheatsheets in the post. Charles
Sure. I can send you some welcome booklets and annual reviews, too. I'll make sure they get sent today.
On 18 September 2014 12:25, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 18 September 2014 11:08, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Great stuff - well done all. Hope it doesn't rain.
It occurs to me to ask for cheatsheets in the post. Charles
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Hi Charles
Thanks for thinking of WLM! Can we add details of the walk to the events tab, here: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/events
Michael
On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:58, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 18 September 2014 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
That was via a Stevie Benton press release from the WMUK office. The meetup is standard, but I tacked on the walk before it in honour of Wiki Loves Monuments. So it's not a major story, but perhaps something a local paper with go with once.
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Done
On 18 September 2014 12:23, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Hi Charles
Thanks for thinking of WLM! Can we add details of the walk to the events tab, here: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/events
Michael
On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:58, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 18 September 2014 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
That was via a Stevie Benton press release from the WMUK office. The
meetup is standard, but I tacked on the walk before it in honour of Wiki Loves Monuments. So it's not a major story, but perhaps something a local paper with go with once.
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This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well.
Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th?
Thanks, Mike
On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
- d.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there?
Regarding the Manchester meet, would you be happy to offer training and a welcome to newbies that come on the day?
Thank you,
Stevie
On 18 September 2014 19:03, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well.
Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th?
Thanks, Mike
On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
- d.
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On 22 September 2014 12:27, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there?
Not to be a wet blanket without reason - but no one actually came to the meetup because of the coverage. A couple of people were there by personal invitation. Worth thinking over.
Charles
Still worth doing - getting people to know we exist is a good start.
How was it - was there a good turn-out?
On 22 September 2014 12:34, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 22 September 2014 12:27, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there?
Not to be a wet blanket without reason - but no one actually came to the meetup because of the coverage. A couple of people were there by personal invitation. Worth thinking over.
Charles
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On 22 September 2014 12:44, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Still worth doing - getting people to know we exist is a good start.
How was it - was there a good turn-out?
I always write up the page afterwards:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Cambridge/23
So there were 10 of us, which is about what I would have guessed. Two or three had travelled quite a way, one was a contact from a workshop.
Charles
The MEN would certainly be a good place to approach.
Even if people don't turn up because of the piece, it might do a little to raise awareness.
On 22 September 2014 12:27, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there?
Regarding the Manchester meet, would you be happy to offer training and a welcome to newbies that come on the day?
Thank you,
Stevie
On 18 September 2014 19:03, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well.
Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th?
Thanks, Mike
On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
- d.
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I started attending meetups because of a watchlist notice, and we get lots of people every year who come to London meetups because of that notice. We have also had some success in the past with inviting editors who we know are in or near London.
As for donors, Fabian and I ran a couple of training events for donors in the London area a couple of years ago. We got quite a few attendees as I remember, and I think we invited donors to one of the backstage passes. I'm not sure I would invite donors to meetups though, as I can see some cultural differences. Meetups are a great opportunity for experienced editor to share experiences and discuss things with fellow editors, things like Wikipedia's tenth birthday party were a good opportunity to answer questions about the project from donors. But while a meetup is a great place for a five minute lesson on a tool like hotcat, or a 5 minute chat about a specific problem, a noisy pub isn't a suitable venue for an hour long training session for a new editor.
I've given up many an afternoon or evening to train other people, and I might go for a beer afterwards. A London meetup is a more social event where I and most of the others drink beer, and if I knew that I was going to be spending my Sunday afternoon training then I would stick to coffee. So I'd be happy to invite newish editors to meetups, but I prefer to have some events where you can assume that everyone round the table has done some editing.
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On 18 September 2014 19:03, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well.
Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th?
Thanks, Mike
On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikime...
Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts?
- d.
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On 22 September 2014 12:52, Jonathan Cardy jonathan.cardy@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
But while a meetup is a great place for a five minute lesson on a tool
like hotcat, or a 5 minute chat about a specific problem, a noisy pub isn't a suitable venue for an hour long training session for a new editor.
Indeed. Another point worth thinking about.
Charles
I'd also say that a noisy pub isn't the most welcoming of venues for people new to the movement as well.
On 22 September 2014 12:55, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 22 September 2014 12:52, Jonathan Cardy < jonathan.cardy@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
But while a meetup is a great place for a five minute lesson on a tool
like hotcat, or a 5 minute chat about a specific problem, a noisy pub isn't a suitable venue for an hour long training session for a new editor.
Indeed. Another point worth thinking about.
Charles
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We have pubs in Oxford, Coventry, Cambridge, Manchester and now Liverpool that are usually relatively quiet and uncrowded, so conversation is much easier. Dan Haigh and I have done informal initial training a couple of times in the pub - it's easy enough one-to-one and you can get a new editor started in 20-30 mins.
On 22 September 2014 13:53, rexx rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
We have pubs in Oxford, Coventry, Cambridge, Manchester and now Liverpool that are usually relatively quiet and uncrowded, so conversation is much easier. Dan Haigh and I have done informal initial training a couple of times in the pub - it's easy enough one-to-one and you can get a new editor started in 20-30 mins.
On a point of detail, the Cambridge meetup is in a brasserie-type place,
rather than a pub (we head off to a pub later if folk want). And it starts middle of the afternoon, which is between midday and early evening peak times.
The pub-or-not debate seems quite significant to me, as the community-and-how-to-grow-it debate in microcosm. If you understand why a meetup that starts in a pub will always be in a pub, you have a clue why entrenched cultural factors in the online community also seem quite stubborn.
Charles
You know, here in Edinburgh I could find dozens of venues where it might be a pub, but allowed those under 18; or, it was open to all, but also served alcohol.
What I never-ever-ever want is the same venue as we had today.
I've been in better-presented student squats, that were fighting eviction; with better-quality coffee, better chairs (not ones that looked as-if they were stolen out a skip), and with walls where the plaster was not - for want of a better description - rotting.
Starbucks would've been better than The Brew Lab, so no more Edinburgh Wikimeets in there please! Took them 20 minutes to make me a coffee, they'd no change when I went to pay with a £5 note, and they still insisted on charging the 30p card fee when I paid that way to help them out. I could readily buy a pint of small-batch, hand-brewed, craft ale for less than they wanted for a mediocre coffee in a venue where you wonder if plugging into an electrical socket will make your hair stand on end.
Had I not been there for a meeting, I would've read them their character, called them on the place being an utter shit-hole, and left.
I'm glad I did not try to encourage the Glasgow Openstreetmap crowd, or Edinburgh Linux group, to come along; I would've been near-mortally embarrassed.
On 22.09.2014 14:01, Charles Matthews wrote:
On 22 September 2014 13:53, rexx wrote:
We have pubs in Oxford, Coventry, Cambridge, Manchester and now Liverpool that are usually relatively quiet and uncrowded, so conversation is much easier. Dan Haigh and I have done informal initial training a couple of times in the pub - its easy enough one-to-one and you can get a new editor started in 20-30 mins.
On a point of detail, the Cambridge meetup is in a brasserie-type place, rather than a pub (we head off to a pub later if folk want). And it starts middle of the afternoon, which is between midday and early evening peak times.
The pub-or-not debate seems quite significant to me, as the community-and-how-to-grow-it debate in microcosm. If you understand why a meetup that starts in a pub will always be in a pub, you have a clue why entrenched cultural factors in the online community also seem quite stubborn.
Charles
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