Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Tom,
Well recently I have been trying to build relationships at the University level in order to make Wikipedia more accessible along the lines of the Wikipedia Ambassador program in the US (Wikipedia Ambassadors UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ambassadors/UK ). We have had particular success in discussion at Imperial College and in Bristol, and have possible leads in Cambridge and Durham. We are going to be training 4-5 ambassadors mid June on those issues and will likely be doing a second round of training sometime closer to the fall . The training is focused on communicating Wikipedia in a University/Education setting and how to do successful outreach and class projects at that level.
When I checked in on the Schools project in December/January, I couldn't find anyone that was still actively doing that stuff. I would be interested in talking to you, because I am actually helping a couple of high school professors integrate the Ambassador program techniques into AP Classes (similar to IB) in the fall in Virginia, when I go back to the states.
Alex Stinson
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.comwrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.comwrote:
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
On 01/06/2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
I think there's a significant strand here. It is probably quite true that local history is a good way to bait the hook. As it happens I have only once set out to write such an article, and that experience confirmed an assumption of mine: "reliable sources" are ever more important as a constraint, as you get off the beaten track in history. Typical sources may be suspect, such as: random amateur websites; TV documentaries or local papers; even local council information, though this is more upmarket. Quite generally, those intending to edit rather close to home have many things to worry about beyond getting some wikitext together. Family history/genealogy is a tough area in which to contribute well, for example. I feel all this is relevant to giving correct advice to teachers. What is reasonably clear to us in the way of pitfalls attached to classes of topics would require some getting over.
Charles
I agree Charles. I've come across this with museum folk too who have written on Wikipedia that they have a larger chunk of a particular mineral than anyone else in the world. When it comes down to it, they don't know if this is true and they have never published the claim .... so they cannot write what they feel is true and are shocked when someone else deletes it. I guess you need to edit what youve read and maybe not what you (just) know. Maybe I should not have said "their local history work" but "local history of their area". That way they can read whats published and hold it up to a "reliable sources" guide before they use it.
I'm aware that we do have quite gifted historians who are publishing stuff that only their mates will read, meanwhile their children are reading wikipedia which might need some checking by a gifted historian or two.
cheers Roger
On 3 June 2011 14:20, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.comwrote:
On 01/06/2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
I think there's a significant strand here. It is probably quite true that local history is a good way to bait the hook. As it happens I have only once set out to write such an article, and that experience confirmed an assumption of mine: "reliable sources" are ever more important as a constraint, as you get off the beaten track in history. Typical sources may be suspect, such as: random amateur websites; TV documentaries or local papers; even local council information, though this is more upmarket. Quite generally, those intending to edit rather close to home have many things to worry about beyond getting some wikitext together. Family history/genealogy is a tough area in which to contribute well, for example. I feel all this is relevant to giving correct advice to teachers. What is reasonably clear to us in the way of pitfalls attached to classes of topics would require some getting over.
Charles
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Roger,
Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have to submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own to contribute by then.
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote:
I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, > > What is the status of our work with schools/education? > http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be > a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the > Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational > budget). > > Is any of this still active? > > I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school > work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area > we could be focusing on. > > I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools > and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale. > > If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be > interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and > youth groups)? > > Tom / ErrantX > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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-- Roger Bamkin (aka Victuallers)
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I can see five broad ways we can try and engage in education. The diversity of possibilities is great but it means that it's difficult to take a structured approach: each of these things needs a proper working group or task force, and effort on many fronts, in order to have a chance of success. Hence I welcome the list’s input on how we should focus. If we can get a small group of people with ideas and contacts in each area, that would be fantastic. So, five areas:
* Secondary education: get schools using the projects in their educational activities, as Ollie Bray talked about in his keynote at the AGM. This could include projects with content outputs, such as QR-tagging a museum or documenting local geography. There are very broad possibilities here.
* Adult education, as proposed by Roger (I agree with WSC that we should promote “contributing” rather than “creating articles”)
* Higher education practice: get a Campus Ambassador programme working in UK universities. Knock on effects: student Wikipedia societies; Wikipedia assignments getting accepted as teaching practice; big improvements to swathes of WP articles on difficult academic subjects.
* Higher education: get Wikimedia projects recognized by universities as a platform for disseminating and archiving content, whether for teaching or research. Convince funders and projects that we can take care of their content, and give it exposure, at least as well as they can.
* Higher education: get university courses using Wikiversity as a platform, thereby improving WV and opening up educational practice.
I work in HE, and I’ve made that a priority. Apologies, but with adult education I’ve not got past some exploratory emails. The body for this sector was Lifelong Learning UK, but that was wound up earlier this year. NIACE (www.niace.org.uk) seems the most relevant body. Finding an enthusiast in a relevant local or national body would be a way to break through to many tutors around the country.
There is a working group for the Campus Ambassador project and Alex has been great at pushing this forward, including putting out the call for CA applicants. We are taking the sustainability of this project seriously. There are more people who can and will be involved, but I’m not sure how to how to co-ordinate this with the other activities.
In the area of getting universities using us as a content platform, Fae and I are talking to funding bodies and things are moving in a positive direction. We’re aiming not just to arrange events with these organisations, but to affect strategy in a lasting way. In the last few weeks I’ve spoken at the Open Educational Resource conference and, as another way to reach out to that community, created this document for CETIS, which provides advice to the whole sector:
http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Wikimedia_Commons_for_UKOER_resources
There’s a lot more to be done in terms of reaching out to individual projects and teaching support units.
Dealing with universities and national educational bodies, we face a similar environment to working with museums and libraries, in that there’s financial and organisational turmoil, and a large proportion of teaching support colleagues in my university and nationally are in some sort of redundancy or job reallocation process. This doesn’t prevent WMUK doing what we want to do, but slows the process and means people have time for us than we would have a couple of years ago.
Higher Education and WV: Leutha is keen on this and I think there are things I can do to help. In terms of affecting teaching practice, there are publications and projects we can target.
Schools: I understand Steve V. has a good relationship with a Bristol primary school as a result of Jimmy’s visit back in January, and we have other school educators in our community.
What would help now, with all these areas, is if people on this list respond to me in private email about what goals they can help us work towards, and I assemble a plan with next steps and who can do them. I envisage a whole area of the WMUK site about our work with education, but before I do that I need to audit what we can reasonably aim to do, rather than make promises we can’t deliver on.
If you've read this long email, you've proved sufficient dedication to the cause. ;)
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
Roger,
Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have to submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own to contribute by then.
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote:
> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it > mentioned at all since the new Board took office. > > Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that > would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? > > Regards, > > Chris > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < > morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> What is the status of our work with schools/education? >> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to >> be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on >> the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational >> budget). >> >> Is any of this still active? >> >> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school >> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area >> we could be focusing on. >> >> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, >> schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider >> scale. >> >> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and >> youth groups)? >> >> Tom / ErrantX >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
-- Roger Bamkin (aka Victuallers)
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
I'm working with a few lecturers for a CA program at Imperial; Alex is involved and is training me as an ambassador.
Vinesh President, WPians at Imperial College
On 4 Jun 2011, at 22:16, "Martin Poulter" <infobomb@gmail.commailto:infobomb@gmail.com> wrote:
I can see five broad ways we can try and engage in education. The diversity of possibilities is great but it means that it's difficult to take a structured approach: each of these things needs a proper working group or task force, and effort on many fronts, in order to have a chance of success. Hence I welcome the list’s input on how we should focus. If we can get a small group of people with ideas and contacts in each area, that would be fantastic. So, five areas:
* Secondary education: get schools using the projects in their educational activities, as Ollie Bray talked about in his keynote at the AGM. This could include projects with content outputs, such as QR-tagging a museum or documenting local geography. There are very broad possibilities here.
* Adult education, as proposed by Roger (I agree with WSC that we should promote “contributing” rather than “creating articles”)
* Higher education practice: get a Campus Ambassador programme working in UK universities. Knock on effects: student Wikipedia societies; Wikipedia assignments getting accepted as teaching practice; big improvements to swathes of WP articles on difficult academic subjects.
* Higher education: get Wikimedia projects recognized by universities as a platform for disseminating and archiving content, whether for teaching or research. Convince funders and projects that we can take care of their content, and give it exposure, at least as well as they can.
* Higher education: get university courses using Wikiversity as a platform, thereby improving WV and opening up educational practice.
I work in HE, and I’ve made that a priority. Apologies, but with adult education I’ve not got past some exploratory emails. The body for this sector was Lifelong Learning UK, but that was wound up earlier this year. NIACE (http://www.niace.org.ukwww.niace.org.ukhttp://www.niace.org.uk) seems the most relevant body. Finding an enthusiast in a relevant local or national body would be a way to break through to many tutors around the country.
There is a working group for the Campus Ambassador project and Alex has been great at pushing this forward, including putting out the call for CA applicants. We are taking the sustainability of this project seriously. There are more people who can and will be involved, but I’m not sure how to how to co-ordinate this with the other activities.
In the area of getting universities using us as a content platform, Fae and I are talking to funding bodies and things are moving in a positive direction. We’re aiming not just to arrange events with these organisations, but to affect strategy in a lasting way. In the last few weeks I’ve spoken at the Open Educational Resource conference and, as another way to reach out to that community, created this document for CETIS, which provides advice to the whole sector:
http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Wikimedia_Commons_for_UKOER_resourceshttp://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Wikimedia_Commons_for_UKOER_resources
There’s a lot more to be done in terms of reaching out to individual projects and teaching support units.
Dealing with universities and national educational bodies, we face a similar environment to working with museums and libraries, in that there’s financial and organisational turmoil, and a large proportion of teaching support colleagues in my university and nationally are in some sort of redundancy or job reallocation process. This doesn’t prevent WMUK doing what we want to do, but slows the process and means people have time for us than we would have a couple of years ago.
Higher Education and WV: Leutha is keen on this and I think there are things I can do to help. In terms of affecting teaching practice, there are publications and projects we can target.
Schools: I understand Steve V. has a good relationship with a Bristol primary school as a result of Jimmy’s visit back in January, and we have other school educators in our community.
What would help now, with all these areas, is if people on this list respond to me in private email about what goals they can help us work towards, and I assemble a plan with next steps and who can do them. I envisage a whole area of the WMUK site about our work with education, but before I do that I need to audit what we can reasonably aim to do, rather than make promises we can’t deliver on.
If you've read this long email, you've proved sufficient dedication to the cause. ;)
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Thomas Morton <mailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.commorton.thomas@googlemail.commailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: Roger,
Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have to submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own to contribute by then.
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin <mailto:victuallers@gmail.comvictuallers@gmail.commailto:victuallers@gmail.com> wrote: Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson <mailto:stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edustinsoad@dukes.jmu.edumailto:stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu> wrote: There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton <mailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.commorton.thomas@googlemail.commailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson <mailto:stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edustinsoad@dukes.jmu.edumailto:stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu> wrote: "High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelfhttp://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Educationhttp://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton <mailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.commorton.thomas@googlemail.commailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating <mailto:chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comchriskeatingwiki@gmail.commailto:chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote: I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it mentioned at all since the new Board took office.
Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom?
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton <mailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.commorton.thomas@googlemail.commailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: Hey all,
What is the status of our work with schools/education? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational budget).
Is any of this still active?
I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area we could be focusing on.
I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider scale.
If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and youth groups)?
Tom / ErrantX
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Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head.
We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations to Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities, museums and the like - we would need several, for schools.
Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of their own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room full of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to.
I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on universities and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan...
Chris
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head.
We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations to Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities, museums and the like - we would need several, for schools.
Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of their own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room full of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to.
I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on universities and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan...
Chris
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I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations to Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities, museums and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of their own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room full of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on universities and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations to Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities, museums and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of their own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room full of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on universities and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Regarding not using full names until the age of 18, I think that's a somewhat high age limit. While my username is a pseudonym, I, at only 16, am an accredited Wikinewsie and OTRS volunteer, and both of these (plus my personal website) expose my real name. I think 16 year olds (and perhaps even younger) can be trusted to know what they're doing. After all, we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined. We have no need to be overly protective, I think. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
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Surely you needn't even force them to register for Commons at all? Just make your own child-friendly submissions page, temporarily hosting them then transferring them en masse to Commons on the children's behalf.
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On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations to Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities, museums and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of their own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room full of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on universities and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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"we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined"
George - a word of advice from a Greybeard like me - don't do all of that at the same time
:-)
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of george.watson@wikinewsie.org Sent: 06 June 2011 17:19 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schools projects
Regarding not using full names until the age of 18, I think that's a somewhat high age limit. While my username is a pseudonym, I, at only 16, am an accredited Wikinewsie and OTRS volunteer, and both of these (plus my personal website) expose my real name. I think 16 year olds (and perhaps even younger) can be trusted to know what they're doing. After all, we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined. We have no need to be overly protective, I think. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
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Surely you needn't even force them to register for Commons at all? Just make your own child-friendly submissions page, temporarily hosting them then transferring them en masse to Commons on the children's behalf.
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating
wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations
to
Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities,
museums
and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of
their
own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room
full
of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on
universities
and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:19 +0100, steve virgin wrote:
"we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined"
George - a word of advice from a Greybeard like me - don't do all of that at the same time
Actually, the minimum age at which you can buy tobacco has been raised to 18.
So no post-coital smoking for George. :-D
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Regarding not using full names until the age of 18, I think that's a somewhat high age limit. While my username is a pseudonym, I, at only 16, am an accredited Wikinewsie and OTRS volunteer, and both of these (plus my personal website) expose my real name. I think 16 year olds (and perhaps even younger) can be trusted to know what they're doing. After all, we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined. We have no need to be overly protective, I think. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
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Surely you needn't even force them to register for Commons at all? Just make your own child-friendly submissions page, temporarily hosting them then transferring them en masse to Commons on the children's behalf.
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating
wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations
to
Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities,
museums
and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of
their
own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room
full
of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on
universities
and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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I've never tried it myself, but I thought one could smoke at 16, and just had to be 18 to purchase the tobacco. (This is somewhat off-topic, though) Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
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On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:19 +0100, steve virgin wrote:
"we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined"
George - a word of advice from a Greybeard like me - don't do all of that at the same time
Actually, the minimum age at which you can buy tobacco has been raised to 18.
So no post-coital smoking for George. :-D
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Regarding not using full names until the age of 18, I think that's a somewhat high age limit. While my username is a pseudonym, I, at only 16, am an accredited Wikinewsie and OTRS volunteer, and both of these (plus my personal website) expose my real name. I think 16 year olds (and perhaps even younger) can be trusted to know what they're doing. After all, we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined. We have no need to be overly protective, I think. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
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Surely you needn't even force them to register for Commons at all? Just make your own child-friendly submissions page, temporarily hosting them then transferring them en masse to Commons on the children's behalf.
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating
wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations
to
Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities,
museums
and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of
their
own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room
full
of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on
universities
and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Regarding not using full names until the age of 18, I think that's a somewhat high age limit. While my username is a pseudonym, I, at only 16, am an accredited Wikinewsie and OTRS volunteer, and both of these (plus my personal website) expose my real name. I think 16 year olds (and perhaps even younger) can be trusted to know what they're doing. After all, we can join the army, have sex, and smoke, if we are that way inclined. We have no need to be overly protective, I think. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
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Surely you needn't even force them to register for Commons at all? Just make your own child-friendly submissions page, temporarily hosting them then transferring them en masse to Commons on the children's behalf.
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
On 5 June 2011 19:19, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Chris, what I understand by schools outreach is getting the educational benefits of WM projects into schools - via teachers. Hence still an adult audience.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
I think you've hit one of the main challenge of schools outreach on the head. We are starting to have a "recipe" for introducing adult organisations to Wikipedia which will basically work for charities, universities, museums and the like - we would need several, for schools. Plus our adult outreach model is based on people coming to events of their own free will, not because they've been told to! I imagine that a room full of schoolkids is a much more difficult audience than what we're used to. I think this is part of the reason why we're focusing more on universities and GLAMs at the moment. But clearly schools need to be part of the long-term plan... Chris _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 6 June 2011 12:47, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
I was recently involved in a children's photography competition through another organisation I'm involved in. I think that commons and "Wiki loves monuments" has a huge opportunity there, as most UK kids now seem to have access to digital cameras and the Internet. It would be great to launch a "Wiki loves monuments" competition to schools, or as a badge for scouts to earn.
Providing the rules were clear about not including your friends in the photographs, or using your full name as your commons ID at least until you are 18, I think this could be useful, good for the kids and a great entry route to the community.
WSC
You would need to explain what we can do better than:
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/
Higher res yes but beyond that?
You would need to explain what we can do better than:
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/
Higher res yes but beyond that?
That's easy: - Available under a free license. This is important as it means the images can be distributed more widely, and reused for more things. Also, being able to have them on Wikipedia makes the images a lot more accessible to a worldwide audience (how many international people will encounter IOE compared to Wikipedia?) - Multiple angles - most images on IOE have a single perspective only, whereas this sort of project could cover the buildings/monuments/etc. from multiple perspectives (or even if it doesn't aim to do that, it still will as lots of photos will invariably be from different angles from the IOE ones). In particular, images of the insides of the buildings would be very valuable, and aren't always (at all?) available on IOE. - More recent - some objects will have changed since the IOE pictures were taken. e.g. [1] no longer has a roof on it - see [2]. - Continuous updating of the catalogue - IOE shows things as they were 10 years ago, back in 2001. New buildings have been added, some removed (e.g. demolished/burned down/relegated in importance), etc. - Links to context: there are a huge number of articles that can be written/improved around all of these objects, which could easily be linked in to a project aimed at taking images of all of them. That can also be extended to multiple languages. - Videos: a lot of cameras nowadays can also make video recordings, and videos e.g. of circumnavigating the buildings would be very useful for Wikipedia users. In some cases, sound recordings would also be useful - again, modern cameras can make these. - Oh yes, higher resolution. :-)
I really like the idea of doing a large-scale competition like this, and I think there's an awful lot to gain - if someone is willing to put the effort into driving the project forward.
Thanks, Mike
[1] http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=457776 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Brook_Street_Chapel,_Manchester
Hi Tom,
I'm not sure if my experience is more than yours (5 years ish) but I will be doing this "hands on". I'm intending to use the real wikipedia so it I may need to find some support to rollback damage. (Any volunteers out there - leave a message off list) I have asked classes to get accounts and I have noticed silly stuff already on the school page. Its protected now! It will be an "interesting experiment"
regards Roger
On 3 June 2011 22:17, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Roger,
Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have to submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own to contribute by then.
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that I'd missed :P
I'm based in Lincolnshire.
Alex,
I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing about your work with the high school professors.
In general:
I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover is Wikipedia and WP editing.
I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting to explore.
Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get an introduction to Wikipedia).
And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching kids can be damned hard!
There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important outreach areas in the UK.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote:
> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it > mentioned at all since the new Board took office. > > Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that > would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? > > Regards, > > Chris > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < > morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> What is the status of our work with schools/education? >> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to >> be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on >> the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational >> budget). >> >> Is any of this still active? >> >> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school >> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major area >> we could be focusing on. >> >> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, >> schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider >> scale. >> >> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and >> youth groups)? >> >> Tom / ErrantX >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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There is a lot of interesting stuff here... I've been swamped with email the last few days and only just catching up so bear with me :D
Roger, you have way more experience than me! So I am glad we agree on the best way to approach this. A few years back I watched someone do a power point presentation about Wikipedia, bored me solid :P
r.e. "fake" wikipedia, I came up with this idea after trying to teach my cousins about WP, and then had a bit of an issue where they vandalised some bits :( Last year I just copied over some articles, of varying quality, to a sandbox wiki and let them loose on it :) There was content to merge back in the end, which was nice!
Next year, if I get chance to do a "full" program I want to try and set up a sandbox wiki about the school - so they can add information about the school etc. - and hopefully work through issues such as BLP, copyvio or sourcing as they arise as discussion points. And also try to build a bit of an eco-system with some admins etc. so they get an idea of how an "online community" might work.
Somewhat ambitious but over the course of a full school year could be fun.
If you need help with rollback (or admin help) feel free to ping me, if I am available happy to help.
Tom
On 5 June 2011 11:39, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm not sure if my experience is more than yours (5 years ish) but I will be doing this "hands on". I'm intending to use the real wikipedia so it I may need to find some support to rollback damage. (Any volunteers out there
- leave a message off list) I have asked classes to get accounts and I have
noticed silly stuff already on the school page. Its protected now! It will be an "interesting experiment"
regards Roger
On 3 June 2011 22:17, Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com wrote:
Roger,
Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have to submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own to contribute by then.
Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds.
On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system.
Tom
On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time.
Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help appreciated.
regards Roger B
On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
There is an education list at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before leaping into account creation :)).
Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect (i.e. quit the vandalism).
Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching materials is happening?
Tom
On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu wrote:
"High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for too long.
Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, though still a work in progress ( http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the class room,
Alex
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Chris, > > Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try > and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project that > I'd missed :P > > I'm based in Lincolnshire. > > > Alex, > > I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks > like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again :)). > Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think would > net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing > about your work with the high school professors. > > In general: > > I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader > here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to > schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of > that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is > that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and > the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover > is Wikipedia and WP editing. > > I could put together some teaching material & release it for others > to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand > into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to > get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum > (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for > teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training > events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really interesting > to explore. > > Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some > of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of kids > turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to get > an introduction to Wikipedia). > > And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support > Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because teaching > kids can be damned hard! > > There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most > important outreach areas in the UK. > > Tom > > > On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote: > >> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it >> mentioned at all since the new Board took office. >> >> Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, >> that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? >> >> Regards, >> >> Chris >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < >> morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> What is the status of our work with schools/education? >>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to >>> be a little stagnant, there are references to other School interactions on >>> the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the educational >>> budget). >>> >>> Is any of this still active? >>> >>> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some >>> in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a >>> major area we could be focusing on. >>> >>> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, >>> schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a wider >>> scale. >>> >>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >>> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into schools and >>> youth groups)? >>> >>> Tom / ErrantX >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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