Hi all,
I've just noticed that Nominet have made two-letter UK domains available for release: http://www.nominet.org.uk/registrants/aboutdomainnames/reserved/releaselist/
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be useful for Wikipedia somehow?
(The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
Thanks, Mike
On 9 June 2011 12:42, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be useful for Wikipedia somehow? (The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
Hey, why not? Nominet domains cost very little (a few quid a year).
- d.
On 9 June 2011 13:03, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 June 2011 12:42, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be useful for Wikipedia somehow? (The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
Hey, why not? Nominet domains cost very little (a few quid a year).
Because it all adds up and if you actually use the names you have to keep paying for them.
It's not even as if "wp" is that closely associated with Wikipedia. Online you have worldpress. Within the UK you have two police forces and that widening participation program.
Said URLs are not even that short. wp.org.uk and wp.net.uk are pretty chunky.
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
It's not even as if "wp" is that closely associated with Wikipedia. Online you have worldpress. Within the UK you have two police forces and that widening participation program.
Isn't that a good thing? Get some resale value? Maybe WMUK could retain ownership and lease them out - i.e. total control to ensure they aren't misused, maybe even a profit.
Okay, that's all hypothetical, but my point was that competition isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Grab a few, I say.
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
With domain names I suggest ethical use; so if we are going to use them, or it is so similar/recognisable that we don't want others using it, or there is a high liklihood of spammers using them, or it is too specific a domain (i.e. miss-spellings of Wikipedia) for it to be useful to anyone else - then get them.
wp.org.uk could be useful to someone else - so lets consider whether it really is necessary.
wm.org.uk seems a good idea to get. wm.co.uk I don't think is needed.
Just my 2p anyway :)
Tom
On 9 June 2011 17:52, Harry Burt harryaburt@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
It's not even as if "wp" is that closely associated with Wikipedia. Online you have worldpress. Within the UK you have two police forces and that widening participation program.
Isn't that a good thing? Get some resale value? Maybe WMUK could retain ownership and lease them out - i.e. total control to ensure they aren't misused, maybe even a profit.
Okay, that's all hypothetical, but my point was that competition isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Grab a few, I say.
-- Harry (User:Jarry1250)
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On 9 June 2011 13:16, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Because it all adds up and if you actually use the names you have to keep paying for them.
It does all add up, but to a very small number. Let's say it's £5 per year per domain (which I think is about right). 6 domains for the next 10 years would cost us £300. That would mean keeping the fundraiser going for an extra hour to fund. It think it's worth that.
With these domain names, there is an extra £10 application fee, and if the domain name is contested then it goes to auction with the highest bidder winning - so the costs of these domains could be substantially higher than usual.
If there was a really pressing reason for them - e.g. if they would be well used for linking to wikipedia - then I think it would be worth getting them. Otherwise, I'm not sure we're any different from other (bigger) organisations that share the same abbreviation...
Mike
On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 June 2011 13:16, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Because it all adds up and if you actually use the names you have to keep paying for them.
It does all add up, but to a very small number. Let's say it's £5 per year per domain (which I think is about right). 6 domains for the next 10 years would cost us £300. That would mean keeping the fundraiser going for an extra hour to fund. It think it's worth that.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
There's no pressing need, but it's a possibility. However, we'd probably be better off getting something more international for that (wp.org, for example).
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 20:12 +0100, Mike Peel wrote:
With these domain names, there is an extra £10 application fee, and if the domain name is contested then it goes to auction with the highest bidder winning - so the costs of these domains could be substantially higher than usual.
If there was a really pressing reason for them - e.g. if they would be well used for linking to wikipedia - then I think it would be worth getting them. Otherwise, I'm not sure we're any different from other (bigger) organisations that share the same abbreviation...
Mike
On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 June 2011 13:16, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Because it all adds up and if you actually use the names you have to keep paying for them.
It does all add up, but to a very small number. Let's say it's £5 per year per domain (which I think is about right). 6 domains for the next 10 years would cost us £300. That would mean keeping the fundraiser going for an extra hour to fund. It think it's worth that.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
We already have enwp.org .
I think wm.org.uk or wm.co.uk will be very useful as URL shorteners for the WMUK website. Registering some of the others (wp.org.uk etc) defensively won't hurt either, although the idea is that we back off if another legitimate organisation also want them.
Deryck
On 9 June 2011 20:18, George Watson george.watson@wikinewsie.org wrote:
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
There's no pressing need, but it's a possibility. However, we'd probably be better off getting something more international for that (wp.org, for example).
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 20:12 +0100, Mike Peel wrote:
With these domain names, there is an extra £10 application fee, and if
the domain name is contested then it goes to auction with the highest bidder winning - so the costs of these domains could be substantially higher than usual.
If there was a really pressing reason for them - e.g. if they would be
well used for linking to wikipedia - then I think it would be worth getting them. Otherwise, I'm not sure we're any different from other (bigger) organisations that share the same abbreviation...
Mike
On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 June 2011 13:16, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Because it all adds up and if you actually use the names you have to keep paying for them.
It does all add up, but to a very small number. Let's say it's £5 per year per domain (which I think is about right). 6 domains for the next 10 years would cost us £300. That would mean keeping the fundraiser going for an extra hour to fund. It think it's worth that.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Unfortunately, I misread the deadline on the website and thought that the deadline for applying for the domain names was the 22nd - instead, that's the deadline for paying the application fee, and the deadline for putting in an application was the 15th. I was planning on putting the application for them in this evening (which was my first opportunity this week - it's been a mad week). Apologies about that.
Mike
On 9 Jun 2011, at 20:22, Deryck Chan wrote:
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
We already have enwp.org .
I think wm.org.uk or wm.co.uk will be very useful as URL shorteners for the WMUK website. Registering some of the others (wp.org.uk etc) defensively won't hurt either, although the idea is that we back off if another legitimate organisation also want them.
Deryck
On 9 June 2011 20:18, George Watson george.watson@wikinewsie.org wrote: I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
There's no pressing need, but it's a possibility. However, we'd probably be better off getting something more international for that (wp.org, for example).
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 20:12 +0100, Mike Peel wrote:
With these domain names, there is an extra £10 application fee, and if the domain name is contested then it goes to auction with the highest bidder winning - so the costs of these domains could be substantially higher than usual.
If there was a really pressing reason for them - e.g. if they would be well used for linking to wikipedia - then I think it would be worth getting them. Otherwise, I'm not sure we're any different from other (bigger) organisations that share the same abbreviation...
Mike
On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 June 2011 13:16, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Because it all adds up and if you actually use the names you have to keep paying for them.
It does all add up, but to a very small number. Let's say it's £5 per year per domain (which I think is about right). 6 domains for the next 10 years would cost us £300. That would mean keeping the fundraiser going for an extra hour to fund. It think it's worth that.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 17/06/2011 19:06, Michael Peel wrote:
Unfortunately, I misread the deadline on the website and thought that the deadline for applying for the domain names was the 22nd - instead, that's the deadline for paying the application fee, and the deadline for putting in an application was the 15th. I was planning on putting the application for them in this evening (which was my first opportunity this week - it's been a mad week). Apologies about that.
Mike
whois wp.org.uk
Error for "wp.org.uk".
This domain cannot be registered because it contravenes the Nominet UK naming rules. The reason is: third-level domains may not comprise two alphabetic characters.
WHOIS lookup made at 21:56:53 19-Jun-2011
:-)
Gordo
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On 09/06/11 20:18, George Watson wrote:
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
We currently have http://enwp.org/Main_Page.
Douglas
The importance for QR codes is very important. I was not aware that we owned enwp.org, just that we had use of it.
Roger
On 9 June 2011 20:24, Douglas Gardner microchip08@btinternet.com wrote:
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On 09/06/11 20:18, George Watson wrote:
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
We currently have http://enwp.org/Main_Page.
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For the avoidance of doubt, I don't know if it's ours or not.
On 09/06/11 22:21, Roger Bamkin wrote:
The importance for QR codes is very important. I was not aware that we owned enwp.org, just that we had use of it.
Roger
On 9 June 2011 20:24, Douglas Gardner microchip08@btinternet.com wrote:
On 09/06/11 20:18, George Watson wrote:
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
We currently have http://enwp.org/Main_Page.
Douglas
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There was a thread on foundation-l not long ago; I think the person that owns it offered it to the foundation, but conversation seemed to peter out....
Tom
On 9 June 2011 22:22, Douglas Gardner microchip08@btinternet.com wrote:
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For the avoidance of doubt, I don't know if it's ours or not.
On 09/06/11 22:21, Roger Bamkin wrote:
The importance for QR codes is very important. I was not aware that we
owned
enwp.org, just that we had use of it.
Roger
On 9 June 2011 20:24, Douglas Gardner microchip08@btinternet.com
wrote:
On 09/06/11 20:18, George Watson wrote:
I can see their use as a URL shortener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7B%7BFULLPAGENAMEE%7D%7D gets a bit unweildy at times, compared to, for example, http://wp.org.uk/%7B%7BREVISIONID%7D%7D or something.
We currently have http://enwp.org/Main_Page.
Douglas
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My understanding (based on creating QR code templates in Wikipedia and discussing this issue some months ago) is that Wikimedia does not own enwp.org. If this has changed or someone is prepared to negotiate with the owner I would like to know as this might be of immediate benefit in how QR codes can be shortened as currently best practice forces us to not use it as an official redirect method (though I use it informally as below).
Thanks, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:fae Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/faetags
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 11:00 +0100, Fae wrote:
My understanding (based on creating QR code templates in Wikipedia and discussing this issue some months ago) is that Wikimedia does not own enwp.org. If this has changed or someone is prepared to negotiate with the owner I would like to know as this might be of immediate benefit in how QR codes can be shortened as currently best practice forces us to not use it as an official redirect method (though I use it informally as below).
The owner of enwp.org seems to be one Thomas Kjoerberg.
Incidentally, enWN also has enwn.net, and it's built right in to the wiki; look for the "Shorten URL" link down the left. This is owned by Jon Davis (ShakataGaNai), an enWN crat, and current WMF employee.
It's worth grabbing them to prevent anyone else getting them and misusing them, if nothing else. As David says, the cost is pretty minimal.
I'd get wp.co.uk, wp.org.uk, wp.net.uk and the same with wm.
On 9 June 2011 12:42, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all,
I've just noticed that Nominet have made two-letter UK domains available for release: http://www.nominet.org.uk/registrants/aboutdomainnames/reserved/releaselist/
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be useful for Wikipedia somehow?
(The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
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Definitely should be on top of wm.org.uk, you could use that for the shortened url for the Wikimedia UK page,
Alex
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
It's worth grabbing them to prevent anyone else getting them and misusing them, if nothing else. As David says, the cost is pretty minimal.
I'd get wp.co.uk, wp.org.uk, wp.net.uk and the same with wm.
On 9 June 2011 12:42, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all,
I've just noticed that Nominet have made two-letter UK domains available
for release:
http://www.nominet.org.uk/registrants/aboutdomainnames/reserved/releaselist/
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be
useful for Wikipedia somehow?
(The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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On 9 June 2011 12:42, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all,
I've just noticed that Nominet have made two-letter UK domains available for release: http://www.nominet.org.uk/registrants/aboutdomainnames/reserved/releaselist/
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be useful for Wikipedia somehow?
(The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
Yes, applying for our standard two-letter abbreviations - wm, wp, etc - seems a smart idea. Nothing ventured...
Agree with Tom and David - get them
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Hi all,
I've just noticed that Nominet have made two-letter UK domains available for release: http://www.nominet.org.uk/registrants/aboutdomainnames/reserved/releaselist/
This includes wp.co.uk/wp.org.uk/etc. - does anyone think these would be useful for Wikipedia somehow?
(The deadline for applying is apparently in just under a week's time.)
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