Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=...
The allegation on Jimmy Wales' soapbox is the first I had heard of any problems on any channel. Was anything reported officially or is this subtle trolling?
I know that the current group-think is that discussion should be limited to Good News stories and positive PR, but if there have been thefts then a warning to attendees to take care would have been nice.
Fae
While I would not necessarily be aware of anything reported through official channels, this is the first that I am aware of these allegations. Certainly I can recall nothing being mentioned at any of the most recent few London Wikimeets where I have usually been one of the first to arrive and almost always one of the last three to leave.
I am equally unaware of any desire to restrict discussion in the way you describe. The only desire of which I am aware is to keep the Water Cooler on the WMUK wiki free of navel-gazing and dirty laundry (such should now take place at the Engine Room instead).
Certainly if these allegations have been made in good faith then it is something that people should be aware of. In all circumstances though it is a Good Idea for people to be sensible about their belongings in any public place.
Chris
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014, Fæ wrote:
Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=...
The allegation on Jimmy Wales' soapbox is the first I had heard of any problems on any channel. Was anything reported officially or is this subtle trolling?
I know that the current group-think is that discussion should be limited to Good News stories and positive PR, but if there have been thefts then a warning to attendees to take care would have been nice.
Fae
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I see that Jimbo has replied on his talk page now saying that he was unaware of the allegations also. Although I doubt that the official channels for this sort of thing include making him personally aware as a matter of routine.
Chris
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014, Chris McKenna wrote:
While I would not necessarily be aware of anything reported through official channels, this is the first that I am aware of these allegations. Certainly I can recall nothing being mentioned at any of the most recent few London Wikimeets where I have usually been one of the first to arrive and almost always one of the last three to leave.
I am equally unaware of any desire to restrict discussion in the way you describe. The only desire of which I am aware is to keep the Water Cooler on the WMUK wiki free of navel-gazing and dirty laundry (such should now take place at the Engine Room instead).
Certainly if these allegations have been made in good faith then it is something that people should be aware of. In all circumstances though it is a Good Idea for people to be sensible about their belongings in any public place.
Chris
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014, Fæ wrote:
Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=...
The allegation on Jimmy Wales' soapbox is the first I had heard of any problems on any channel. Was anything reported officially or is this subtle trolling?
I know that the current group-think is that discussion should be limited to Good News stories and positive PR, but if there have been thefts then a warning to attendees to take care would have been nice.
Fae
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The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart
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I see Jimmy has recommended this is a matter for the police. Certainly if there is any truth in the claim that an Apple Laptop was stolen, that seems a pretty big deal and should have been reported at the time.
I recall how incredibly hard it was, when I was a trustee, to actually get a meaningful report of where all 6 laptops/notebooks that the charity had available for load actually were. Asking the question was taken as disruption on my part, even though I just wanted the facts of where our charitable assets were and if any had been lost, damaged or stolen. This allegation might be related what happened to one of those laptops, if so it might be deliberate trolling rather than more innocent feedback.
Fae
This is the first I've heard of it - but it is indeed something that should be reported directly to the police. If true then it may well be a theft.
If anyone has any more information about this, then please contact the police as a priority (dial 101).
Otherwise, I think we should keep discussion on this list relatively general, as talking about a specific unsolved incident with other people in a public forum makes it much more difficult for the police to get best evidence, because it taints the evidence of others.
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On 13 March 2014 19:50, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
I see Jimmy has recommended this is a matter for the police. Certainly if there is any truth in the claim that an Apple Laptop was stolen, that seems a pretty big deal and should have been reported at the time.
I recall how incredibly hard it was, when I was a trustee, to actually get a meaningful report of where all 6 laptops/notebooks that the charity had available for load actually were. Asking the question was taken as disruption on my part, even though I just wanted the facts of where our charitable assets were and if any had been lost, damaged or stolen. This allegation might be related what happened to one of those laptops, if so it might be deliberate trolling rather than more innocent feedback.
Fae
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All the laptops or cameras listed on < https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment%3E are either with the office or in Wales as part of the Living Paths! project.......
On 13 March 2014 19:50, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
I see Jimmy has recommended this is a matter for the police. Certainly if there is any truth in the claim that an Apple Laptop was stolen, that seems a pretty big deal and should have been reported at the time.
I recall how incredibly hard it was, when I was a trustee, to actually get a meaningful report of where all 6 laptops/notebooks that the charity had available for load actually were. Asking the question was taken as disruption on my part, even though I just wanted the facts of where our charitable assets were and if any had been lost, damaged or stolen. This allegation might be related what happened to one of those laptops, if so it might be deliberate trolling rather than more innocent feedback.
Fae
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On 13/03/2014, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
All the laptops or cameras listed on < https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment%3E are either with the office or in Wales as part of the Living Paths! project.......
Hi Katie, you have linked to an asset register. Is there a loan register so you know where the laptops and cameras are today, and how would we (volunteers) know if any had ever been lost, damaged or stolen?
Fae
On 13 March 2014 20:55, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/03/2014, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
All the laptops or cameras listed on < https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment%3E are either with the office or in Wales as part of the Living Paths! project.......
Hi Katie, you have linked to an asset register. Is there a loan register so you know where the laptops and cameras are today, and how would we (volunteers) know if any had ever been lost, damaged or stolen?
Fae
Hmm laptops tend to move around in the company of WMUK staff so I'm not sure if that counts as a loan. For anything else a public list would throw up privacy concerns. I'd probably argue that anything loan longer than a single event should be noted.
I've been a consistent attendee of the last few London meetups and have attended many more before that and this first time I've seen or heard of allegations of theft at London meetups. I do wonder who this "well known Wikipedian" is intended to be and who the "witnesses" are exactly, but I'm assuming good faith, and I agree with Jimmy and others that this is ultimately a matter for the police.
I have left a note at the talk page of the next planned London meetup so people are aware of it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Meetup/London/80
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-----Original Message----- From: Fæ [mailto:faewik@gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2014 19:23 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Allegation of thefts at London wikimeets
Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=...
The allegation on Jimmy Wales' soapbox is the first I had heard of any problems on any channel. Was anything reported officially or is this subtle trolling?
I know that the current group-think is that discussion should be limited to Good News stories and positive PR, but if there have been thefts then a warning to attendees to take care would have been nice.
Fae -- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
On 13 March 2014 22:49, Christopher Cooper < ct-cooper.wikimedia.ml@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I've been a consistent attendee of the last few London meetups and have attended many more before that and this first time I've seen or heard of allegations of theft at London meetups. I do wonder who this "well known Wikipedian" is intended to be and who the "witnesses" are exactly, but I'm assuming good faith, and I agree with Jimmy and others that this is ultimately a matter for the police.
Accusation comes from the "friend" of a throwaway account. Looking at the list of accusations. Swiping a laptop would be doable but not easy and as someone who tends to stay to the end of meetups I would expect to have heard about it. iPhones tend not to be much in evidence and people just don't leave money lying around.
WMUK has never owned an expensive DSLR (in fairness this may be a case of someone not realising what expensive means in a DSLR context) . The DSLRs it does own were both present in December 2013 and can be seen on the left in this pic https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Canon_EOS_DSLR_family_(selection).jp...
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