Its not bad, and quite quick to use. Doesn't need a computer either. On 14 Feb 2014 16:17, "Katie Chan" <katie.chan(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

On 14 February 2014 17:00, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ion-Film2SD-Negative-Scanner-Electronics/dp/9800340… I remember a discussion on commons-l a while ago about negative scanners. The Ion kit was considered better-than-nothing but not good. OTOH, not many of the high-quality Nikon negative scanners around. (Though that would be a *damn* fine piece of kit for the office.) How good are the results from this Ion? Any example links? If it turns out to be any good, I wouldn't mind borrowing it after Andy ... my pics are mostly Australian indie rock bands, but highly suitable for Commons :-) - d.

On 14 February 2014 16:16, Katie Chan <katie.chan(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Change of plan: Thank you, but I've been offered the use of one of these: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/scanner/scoolscan_4000/ by a friend who lives locally. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Of course. On 15 February 2014 15:23, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

On 15 February 2014 19:52, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: :-) Seriously, though: if you want archival quality, the way to go is a CoolScan. Not only would we be able to scan negatives ourselves (though it'd be tied to the office, rather than being a loanable item), we'd be able to make very good friends indeed with GLAMs that have random piles of unscanned negatives. It'd be nice if someone with a few hundred quid bought a CoolScan, scanned their collection, then donated the kit to WMUK when done with it. The way it usually goes is: someone buys a CoolScan on eBay, scans their negative collection, sells it to the next person. WMUK would be a suitable end point for such a chain. The main catch is for it to be *someone else's* problem to make sure a decade-old piece of kit is in usable condition not to be a white elephant - donating something that turns into a liability is helpy rather than helpful. CoolScan IV/4000 use FireWire, V/5000 on use USB ... software and supported OS is an interesting question as well ... III/3000 and earlier do archival-quality scanning, but often have weird hardware requirements. I think the I and II needed their own ISA card. This is the sort of white elephant *not* to inflict on a small charity. If I had ~£500 to spare I would happily be that person. I'm not though :-) I'll borrow the Ion (a rather less fragile piece of kit, so borrowable), but if I had access to a CoolScan I'd happily do 'em again. - d.

On 15 February 2014 20:24, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)manchester.ac.uk> wrote: Hmm. Do we have any vague ideas on numbers? * How often do we get a reasonable chance at a cache of unscanned negatives? * How many smaller museums or archives would have unscanned film to offer in such a case? * How many people with private collections of negatives that they've never gotten around to scanning (e.g., me) would suddenly have a huge pile of stuff to donate to Commons just given the opportunity? - d.

On 15 February 2014 20:56, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)manchester.ac.uk> wrote: Yes. I suppose I'm asking, "is it just a nice idea or will it actually get used a lot?" (I'd have nothing against people scanning personal photos that might not be appropriate for Commons as well as material to be donated to the commons. Anyone with a good stash would quite appreciate the chance to digitise their precious moments.) - d.

On 15 February 2014 21:40, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Ooh, excellent! (Not that this should stop us all bloviating in any manner, of course ...) - d.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Peel wrote: I have access (both physical and legal) to a large collection of both colour and B&W slides of various parts of Britain taken by my grandfather, Josiah Sturgeon. He was a civil service architect who designed quite a number of prisons and lifeboat stations and advised the government on other big construction projects. He also was a maritime painter and a member of the Royal Society of Marine Artists, and one of his paintings is in the Guildhall Art Gallery collection. The photographs he took over the years are mostly of Scotland, especially the Hebrides, but also cover coastal and rivers in England and Wales. There's also quite a lot of (what was then) Yugoslavia. They are taken with the eye of an artist and often show places that have now disappeared. I think there's definitely some educational and illustrative value in the images. Scanning them and putting them on Commons might be a more fitting and useful thing to do with them than keep them in an attic for a few more decades. So I might take up the offer of using the slide scanner at some point. One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK resources—say, a few hundred slides—and one or two of them were personal (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded or licensed for Commons? - -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Hi Tom, In answer to your question, I'm certain that would be no problem at all. And those images sound really interesting. Thanks, Stevie On 19 February 2014 13:08, Tom Morris &lt;tom(a)tommorris.org&gt; wrote: -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

Correction: "even if it's 1000 images and only two are Commons-able, it's still a net benefit." Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 19 February 2014 14:49, Richard Symonds &lt;richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk > To be honest, Tom, that was the original idea - even if it's 1000 images > and only two are Commons-able, it's still a net benefit if staff are doing > the work. > > If you have thousands (I had about 400 and it took me a few hours), then > it might be worth looking into something else. > > Drop me an email! > > Richard Symonds > Wikimedia UK > 0207 065 0992 > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* > > > On 19 February 2014 13:16, Stevie Benton &lt;stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt;wrote;wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> In answer to your question, I'm certain that would be no problem at all. >> And those images sound really interesting. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stevie >> >> >> On 19 February 2014 13:08, Tom Morris &lt;tom(a)tommorris.org>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Michael Peel wrote: >>> > Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that >>> > would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to >>> > scan and upload them? It shouldn't really be a question about >>> > equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing >>> > them. >>> > >>> >>> I have access (both physical and legal) to a large collection of both >>> colour and B&W slides of various parts of Britain taken by my >>> grandfather, Josiah Sturgeon. He was a civil service architect who >>> designed quite a number of prisons and lifeboat stations and advised the >>> government on other big construction projects. He also was a maritime >>> painter and a member of the Royal Society of Marine Artists, and one of >>> his paintings is in the Guildhall Art Gallery collection. >>> >>> The photographs he took over the years are mostly of Scotland, >>> especially the Hebrides, but also cover coastal and rivers in England >>> and Wales. There's also quite a lot of (what was then) Yugoslavia. They >>> are taken with the eye of an artist and often show places that have now >>> disappeared. I think there's definitely some educational and >>> illustrative value in the images. >>> >>> Scanning them and putting them on Commons might be a more fitting and >>> useful thing to do with them than keep them in an attic for a few more >>> decades. So I might take up the offer of using the slide scanner at some >>> point. >>> >>> One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK >>> resources--say, a few hundred slides--and one or two of them were personal >>> (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my >>> grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded >>> or licensed for Commons? >>> >>> - -- >>> Tom Morris >>> <http://tommorris.org/> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Stevie Benton >> Head of External Relations >> Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 >> @StevieBenton >> >> >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). >> >> >> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> > >