There was talk, some time ago, of WMUK buying a slide (i.e. 35mm transparency) scanner, and loaning it to people with collections of photos, who could use it and in return agree to upload their pics to Commons.
Did anything come of that?
Yes, we have the Ion Film2SD Pro as shown on < https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment#Multimedia%3E.
Let me know if you want to borrow it.
Katie
On 14 February 2014 15:54, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
There was talk, some time ago, of WMUK buying a slide (i.e. 35mm transparency) scanner, and loaning it to people with collections of photos, who could use it and in return agree to upload their pics to Commons.
Did anything come of that?
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Its not bad, and quite quick to use. Doesn't need a computer either. On 14 Feb 2014 16:17, "Katie Chan" katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yes, we have the Ion Film2SD Pro as shown on < https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment#Multimedia%3E.
Let me know if you want to borrow it.
Katie
On 14 February 2014 15:54, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
There was talk, some time ago, of WMUK buying a slide (i.e. 35mm transparency) scanner, and loaning it to people with collections of photos, who could use it and in return agree to upload their pics to Commons.
Did anything come of that?
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On 14 February 2014 16:16, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
we have the Ion Film2SD Pro as shown on https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment#Multimedia.
Let me know if you want to borrow it.
I'd love to please. Would it be possible to have it for a few weeks - I've a lot to get through!
If it's as compact as it looks, perhaps I could have it on Tues or Thurs, at UCL? Is anyone able to bring it there, from the office?
On 14 February 2014 17:00, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 14 February 2014 16:16, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
we have the Ion Film2SD Pro as shown on https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment#Multimedia. Let me know if you want to borrow it.
I'd love to please. Would it be possible to have it for a few weeks - I've a lot to get through! If it's as compact as it looks, perhaps I could have it on Tues or Thurs, at UCL? Is anyone able to bring it there, from the office?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ion-Film2SD-Negative-Scanner-Electronics/dp/98003401...
I remember a discussion on commons-l a while ago about negative scanners. The Ion kit was considered better-than-nothing but not good. OTOH, not many of the high-quality Nikon negative scanners around. (Though that would be a *damn* fine piece of kit for the office.)
How good are the results from this Ion? Any example links?
If it turns out to be any good, I wouldn't mind borrowing it after Andy ... my pics are mostly Australian indie rock bands, but highly suitable for Commons :-)
- d.
On 2014-02-14 17:13, David Gerard wrote:
On 14 February 2014 17:00, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 14 February 2014 16:16, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
we have the Ion Film2SD Pro as shown on https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment#Multimedia. Let me know if you want to borrow it.
I'd love to please. Would it be possible to have it for a few weeks - I've a lot to get through! If it's as compact as it looks, perhaps I could have it on Tues or Thurs, at UCL? Is anyone able to bring it there, from the office?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ion-Film2SD-Negative-Scanner-Electronics/dp/98003401...
I remember a discussion on commons-l a while ago about negative scanners. The Ion kit was considered better-than-nothing but not good. OTOH, not many of the high-quality Nikon negative scanners around. (Though that would be a *damn* fine piece of kit for the office.)
How good are the results from this Ion? Any example links?
I've several photographer friends, and they work with 'real film' every now and then. Their approach in such cases is to use a camera mount to photograph developed (negative) film and process that into digital photos.
Fiddly, yes; but the results I've seen are very impressive, capturing the feel of film photography without a lot of work developing actual postive prints.
Brian McNeil
On 14 February 2014 16:16, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yes, we have the Ion Film2SD Pro as shown on https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteer_equipment#Multimedia.
Let me know if you want to borrow it.
Change of plan: Thank you, but I've been offered the use of one of these:
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/scanner/scoolscan_4000/
by a friend who lives locally.
On 15 February 2014 15:09, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Change of plan: Thank you, but I've been offered the use of one of these: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/scanner/scoolscan_4000/ by a friend who lives locally.
Oooooooooooooh you lucky bugger. That's the level of archival-quality piece of kit we could do with for WMUK. Though it would have to live in the office. They're over ten years old, but still do the job admirably. Several hundred quid on eBay.
So if the Ion's spare and I could borrow it for a few weeks ...
- d.
Of course.
On 15 February 2014 15:23, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 February 2014 15:09, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Change of plan: Thank you, but I've been offered the use of one of these: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/scanner/scoolscan_4000/ by a friend who lives locally.
Oooooooooooooh you lucky bugger. That's the level of archival-quality piece of kit we could do with for WMUK. Though it would have to live in the office. They're over ten years old, but still do the job admirably. Several hundred quid on eBay.
So if the Ion's spare and I could borrow it for a few weeks ...
- d.
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On 15 February 2014 15:23, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 February 2014 15:09, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Change of plan: Thank you, but I've been offered the use of one of these: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/scanner/scoolscan_4000/ by a friend who lives locally.
Oooooooooooooh you lucky bugger. That's the level of archival-quality piece of kit we could do with for WMUK. Though it would have to live in the office.
A nikon product at the WMUK office? Is that wise:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Canon_EOS_DSLR_family_(selection).jp...
On 15 February 2014 19:52, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 February 2014 15:23, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 February 2014 15:09, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Change of plan: Thank you, but I've been offered the use of one of these: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/scanner/scoolscan_4000/ by a friend who lives locally.
Oooooooooooooh you lucky bugger. That's the level of archival-quality piece of kit we could do with for WMUK. Though it would have to live in the office.
A nikon product at the WMUK office? Is that wise: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Canon_EOS_DSLR_family_(selection).jp...
:-)
Seriously, though: if you want archival quality, the way to go is a CoolScan. Not only would we be able to scan negatives ourselves (though it'd be tied to the office, rather than being a loanable item), we'd be able to make very good friends indeed with GLAMs that have random piles of unscanned negatives.
It'd be nice if someone with a few hundred quid bought a CoolScan, scanned their collection, then donated the kit to WMUK when done with it.
The way it usually goes is: someone buys a CoolScan on eBay, scans their negative collection, sells it to the next person. WMUK would be a suitable end point for such a chain.
The main catch is for it to be *someone else's* problem to make sure a decade-old piece of kit is in usable condition not to be a white elephant - donating something that turns into a liability is helpy rather than helpful. CoolScan IV/4000 use FireWire, V/5000 on use USB ... software and supported OS is an interesting question as well ... III/3000 and earlier do archival-quality scanning, but often have weird hardware requirements. I think the I and II needed their own ISA card. This is the sort of white elephant *not* to inflict on a small charity.
If I had ~£500 to spare I would happily be that person. I'm not though :-)
I'll borrow the Ion (a rather less fragile piece of kit, so borrowable), but if I had access to a CoolScan I'd happily do 'em again.
- d.
On 15 Feb 2014, at 20:00, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, though: if you want archival quality, the way to go is a CoolScan. Not only would we be able to scan negatives ourselves (though it'd be tied to the office, rather than being a loanable item), we'd be able to make very good friends indeed with GLAMs that have random piles of unscanned negatives.
It'd be nice if someone with a few hundred quid bought a CoolScan, scanned their collection, then donated the kit to WMUK when done with it.
The way it usually goes is: someone buys a CoolScan on eBay, scans their negative collection, sells it to the next person. WMUK would be a suitable end point for such a chain.
The main catch is for it to be *someone else's* problem to make sure a decade-old piece of kit is in usable condition not to be a white elephant - donating something that turns into a liability is helpy rather than helpful. CoolScan IV/4000 use FireWire, V/5000 on use USB ... software and supported OS is an interesting question as well ... III/3000 and earlier do archival-quality scanning, but often have weird hardware requirements. I think the I and II needed their own ISA card. This is the sort of white elephant *not* to inflict on a small charity.
If I had ~£500 to spare I would happily be that person. I'm not though :-)
I'll borrow the Ion (a rather less fragile piece of kit, so borrowable), but if I had access to a CoolScan I'd happily do 'em again.
Perhaps it would be worth WMUK thinking about purchasing such equipment, either to be made available in the office (which would then require travel costs, or postal costs and volunteer time in the office to scan posted material in), or to be sent around to interested volunteers?
Of course, both purchase and maintenance costs should be thought about here, both for the machine itself and for the equipment that’s needed to interface with it, and also insurance costs... Depending on demand and durability, that may or may not make this cost-effective.
Or maybe there are renting-on-demand options available for equivalent, more recent, equipment that can do the job?
(It’s not a white elephant so long as the up-front costs turn out to be worthwhile, given that it shouldn't cost much to recycle it if it breaks…)
Thanks, Mike
On 15 February 2014 20:24, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Perhaps it would be worth WMUK thinking about purchasing such equipment, either to be made available in the office (which would then require travel costs, or postal costs and volunteer time in the office to scan posted material in), or to be sent around to interested volunteers? Of course, both purchase and maintenance costs should be thought about here, both for the machine itself and for the equipment that’s needed to interface with it, and also insurance costs... Depending on demand and durability, that may or may not make this cost-effective. Or maybe there are renting-on-demand options available for equivalent, more recent, equipment that can do the job? (It’s not a white elephant so long as the up-front costs turn out to be worthwhile, given that it shouldn't cost much to recycle it if it breaks…)
Hmm. Do we have any vague ideas on numbers?
* How often do we get a reasonable chance at a cache of unscanned negatives? * How many smaller museums or archives would have unscanned film to offer in such a case? * How many people with private collections of negatives that they've never gotten around to scanning (e.g., me) would suddenly have a huge pile of stuff to donate to Commons just given the opportunity?
- d.
On 15 Feb 2014, at 20:43, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 February 2014 20:24, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Perhaps it would be worth WMUK thinking about purchasing such equipment, either to be made available in the office (which would then require travel costs, or postal costs and volunteer time in the office to scan posted material in), or to be sent around to interested volunteers? Of course, both purchase and maintenance costs should be thought about here, both for the machine itself and for the equipment that’s needed to interface with it, and also insurance costs... Depending on demand and durability, that may or may not make this cost-effective. Or maybe there are renting-on-demand options available for equivalent, more recent, equipment that can do the job? (It’s not a white elephant so long as the up-front costs turn out to be worthwhile, given that it shouldn't cost much to recycle it if it breaks…)
Hmm. Do we have any vague ideas on numbers?
- How often do we get a reasonable chance at a cache of unscanned negatives?
- How many smaller museums or archives would have unscanned film to
offer in such a case?
- How many people with private collections of negatives that they've
never gotten around to scanning (e.g., me) would suddenly have a huge pile of stuff to donate to Commons just given the opportunity?
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn’t really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
Thanks, Mike
On 15 February 2014 20:56, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
On 15 Feb 2014, at 20:43, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. Do we have any vague ideas on numbers?
- How often do we get a reasonable chance at a cache of unscanned negatives?
- How many smaller museums or archives would have unscanned film to
offer in such a case?
- How many people with private collections of negatives that they've
never gotten around to scanning (e.g., me) would suddenly have a huge pile of stuff to donate to Commons just given the opportunity?
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn’t really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
Yes. I suppose I'm asking, "is it just a nice idea or will it actually get used a lot?"
(I'd have nothing against people scanning personal photos that might not be appropriate for Commons as well as material to be donated to the commons. Anyone with a good stash would quite appreciate the chance to digitise their precious moments.)
- d.
Hi all.
I did some work on this last year when reworking our digitisation plans. If you can wait till monday I'll drop an email about it to the list? On 15 Feb 2014 21:38, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 February 2014 20:56, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
On 15 Feb 2014, at 20:43, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. Do we have any vague ideas on numbers?
- How often do we get a reasonable chance at a cache of unscanned
negatives?
- How many smaller museums or archives would have unscanned film to
offer in such a case?
- How many people with private collections of negatives that they've
never gotten around to scanning (e.g., me) would suddenly have a huge pile of stuff to donate to Commons just given the opportunity?
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would
benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn't really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
Yes. I suppose I'm asking, "is it just a nice idea or will it actually get used a lot?"
(I'd have nothing against people scanning personal photos that might not be appropriate for Commons as well as material to be donated to the commons. Anyone with a good stash would quite appreciate the chance to digitise their precious moments.)
- d.
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On 15 February 2014 21:40, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I did some work on this last year when reworking our digitisation plans. If you can wait till monday I'll drop an email about it to the list?
Ooh, excellent!
(Not that this should stop us all bloviating in any manner, of course ...)
- d.
On 15/02/14 20:56, Michael Peel wrote:
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn’t really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them. Thanks, Mike
A collection should be scanned and also indexed. The results could go into Commons, which does not AFAIK have any support for indexing. Just scanning would be a way to separate the items. I suppose a category would do the job of keeping things together.
I had a quick at the Bishopsgate, for example:
http://bishopsgate.org.uk/Library/Archives-Online
Gordo
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Michael Peel wrote:
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn’t really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
I have access (both physical and legal) to a large collection of both colour and B&W slides of various parts of Britain taken by my grandfather, Josiah Sturgeon. He was a civil service architect who designed quite a number of prisons and lifeboat stations and advised the government on other big construction projects. He also was a maritime painter and a member of the Royal Society of Marine Artists, and one of his paintings is in the Guildhall Art Gallery collection.
The photographs he took over the years are mostly of Scotland, especially the Hebrides, but also cover coastal and rivers in England and Wales. There's also quite a lot of (what was then) Yugoslavia. They are taken with the eye of an artist and often show places that have now disappeared. I think there's definitely some educational and illustrative value in the images.
Scanning them and putting them on Commons might be a more fitting and useful thing to do with them than keep them in an attic for a few more decades. So I might take up the offer of using the slide scanner at some point.
One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK resources—say, a few hundred slides—and one or two of them were personal (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded or licensed for Commons?
- -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
On 19 February 2014 13:08, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK resources--say, a few hundred slides--and one or two of them were personal (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded or licensed for Commons?
Of course.
Katie
Hi Tom,
In answer to your question, I'm certain that would be no problem at all. And those images sound really interesting.
Thanks,
Stevie
On 19 February 2014 13:08, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
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Michael Peel wrote:
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn't really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
I have access (both physical and legal) to a large collection of both colour and B&W slides of various parts of Britain taken by my grandfather, Josiah Sturgeon. He was a civil service architect who designed quite a number of prisons and lifeboat stations and advised the government on other big construction projects. He also was a maritime painter and a member of the Royal Society of Marine Artists, and one of his paintings is in the Guildhall Art Gallery collection.
The photographs he took over the years are mostly of Scotland, especially the Hebrides, but also cover coastal and rivers in England and Wales. There's also quite a lot of (what was then) Yugoslavia. They are taken with the eye of an artist and often show places that have now disappeared. I think there's definitely some educational and illustrative value in the images.
Scanning them and putting them on Commons might be a more fitting and useful thing to do with them than keep them in an attic for a few more decades. So I might take up the offer of using the slide scanner at some point.
One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK resources--say, a few hundred slides--and one or two of them were personal (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded or licensed for Commons?
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To be honest, Tom, that was the original idea - even if it's 1000 images and only two are Commons-able, it's still a net benefit if staff are doing the work.
If you have thousands (I had about 400 and it took me a few hours), then it might be worth looking into something else.
Drop me an email!
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On 19 February 2014 13:16, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hi Tom,
In answer to your question, I'm certain that would be no problem at all. And those images sound really interesting.
Thanks,
Stevie
On 19 February 2014 13:08, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
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Michael Peel wrote:
Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn't really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
I have access (both physical and legal) to a large collection of both colour and B&W slides of various parts of Britain taken by my grandfather, Josiah Sturgeon. He was a civil service architect who designed quite a number of prisons and lifeboat stations and advised the government on other big construction projects. He also was a maritime painter and a member of the Royal Society of Marine Artists, and one of his paintings is in the Guildhall Art Gallery collection.
The photographs he took over the years are mostly of Scotland, especially the Hebrides, but also cover coastal and rivers in England and Wales. There's also quite a lot of (what was then) Yugoslavia. They are taken with the eye of an artist and often show places that have now disappeared. I think there's definitely some educational and illustrative value in the images.
Scanning them and putting them on Commons might be a more fitting and useful thing to do with them than keep them in an attic for a few more decades. So I might take up the offer of using the slide scanner at some point.
One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK resources--say, a few hundred slides--and one or two of them were personal (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded or licensed for Commons?
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Correction: "even if it's 1000 images and only two are Commons-able, it's still a net benefit."
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On 19 February 2014 14:49, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
To be honest, Tom, that was the original idea - even if it's 1000 images and only two are Commons-able, it's still a net benefit if staff are doing the work.
If you have thousands (I had about 400 and it took me a few hours), then it might be worth looking into something else.
Drop me an email!
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On 19 February 2014 13:16, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hi Tom,
In answer to your question, I'm certain that would be no problem at all. And those images sound really interesting.
Thanks,
Stevie
On 19 February 2014 13:08, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
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Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload them? It shouldn't really be a question about equipment cost beyond the cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.
I have access (both physical and legal) to a large collection of both colour and B&W slides of various parts of Britain taken by my grandfather, Josiah Sturgeon. He was a civil service architect who designed quite a number of prisons and lifeboat stations and advised the government on other big construction projects. He also was a maritime painter and a member of the Royal Society of Marine Artists, and one of his paintings is in the Guildhall Art Gallery collection.
The photographs he took over the years are mostly of Scotland, especially the Hebrides, but also cover coastal and rivers in England and Wales. There's also quite a lot of (what was then) Yugoslavia. They are taken with the eye of an artist and often show places that have now disappeared. I think there's definitely some educational and illustrative value in the images.
Scanning them and putting them on Commons might be a more fitting and useful thing to do with them than keep them in an attic for a few more decades. So I might take up the offer of using the slide scanner at some point.
One question: if one scanned a whole set of images using WMUK resources--say, a few hundred slides--and one or two of them were personal (in the case of my grandfather's photos, there might be a few showing my grandmother and/or my mother), can those be exempted from being uploaded or licensed for Commons?
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