It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees. So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity Commission annually.
The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard. As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no rules have been broken.
Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become a teenager.
Gordo
On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees. So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity Commission annually.
The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard. As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no rules have been broken.
Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become a teenager.
Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless emails like this aren't going to solve them...
On 06/08/12 20:48, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees. So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity Commission annually.
The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard. As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no rules have been broken.
Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become a teenager.
Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless emails like this aren't going to solve them...
Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
Gordo
On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
- d.
On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:
On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
- d.
OK.
Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be a enough.
It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.
In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.
Gordo
On 06/08/2012 20:58, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:
On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
- d.
OK.
Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be a enough.
It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.
In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.
Gordo
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I don't feel that should happen, for either of these cases primarily, but I'd assume for other cases as well.
This is the first time I believe I have commented on this through the list, because I didn't think previously I could do it calmly enough, but I still support Ashley as a board member, although I'm kind of annoyed at how the pressure was put on him to step down - mainly the press pressure but anyway.
-- Lewis Cawte
Why are you doing this now Gordon? you had the option to sign the petition to call an EGM. Seddon
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:58:05 +0100 From: gordon.joly@pobox.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:
On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
- d.
OK.
Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be a enough.
It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.
In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.
Gordo
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For what it's worth, I was informed of the EGM on Thursday night, and woke up the next morning to see that Ashley had stepped down. I incorrectly inferred that his action was a response to and reflected the wish of the EGM. I didn't immediately grasp that he remained on the board.
On 6 August 2012 23:37, joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sweet@hotmail.co.ukwrote:
Why are you doing this now Gordon? you had the option to sign the petition to call an EGM.
Seddon
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:58:05 +0100 From: gordon.joly@pobox.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:
On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
- d.
OK.
Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be a enough.
It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.
In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.
Gordo
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A few observations:
1. Wikimedia UK is a young charity but it hired me because I have run charities before and indeed been on various boards myself. Irrespective of my personal qualities this was a very mature move that showed WMUK knew what it wanted and what it was doing.
2. WMUK also hired as a consultant Peter Williams from Amida Consulting, a really experienced charity governance man, to guide us through the transition from Volunteer run to staff supported charity.
3. My last charity liked to be transparent and open but not as much as WMUK. Wwat you see is what you get. I can assure you that some of the best looking charities have some of the deepest darkest secrets. When we have problems our first instinct is to share them! And then share them again!
4. The recent turbulence over the Chair was a real test of the trustees, volunteers and staff. There could have been a terrible rupture. Instead we worked a way through the issues and although there are lots of bruises to heal we can continue the good work.
5. The CEO of a charity has the tricky job of advising and if necessary criticising the board. I rely on their good sense and the support and contributions of the community to achieve this. So email me if you have anything on your mind. sume good faith - please!
Jon
On 7 August 2012 07:26, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 06/08/12 23:37, joseph seddon wrote:
Why are you doing this now Gordon? you had the option to sign the petition to call an EGM.
Seddon
Correct. Thanks for reminding me.
Gordo
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________________________________ From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 20:48 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees. So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity Commission annually.
The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard. As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no rules have been broken.
Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become a teenager.
Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless emails like this aren't going to solve them...
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It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees.
Yes, this is the case. The Chair is the Chair of the Board of Trustees and, if you look in our constitution, you will see that the post actually has very few powers or responsibilities except chairing board meetings.
The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard. As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no rules have been broken.
All trustees record any relevant interests in public and recuse themselves from discussions where there are any conflicts of interest. This is in line with Charity Commission guidance.
I am not sure there is any more to say on the matter.
Chris Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 06/08/12 20:55, Chris Keating wrote:
All trustees record any relevant interests in public and recuse themselves from discussions where there are any conflicts of interest. This is in line with Charity Commission guidance.
I am not sure there is any more to say on the matter.
Chris Chair, Wikimedia UK
Thanks Chris.
I read the documentation.
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Publications/cc11.aspx
SORP is your friend, it would seem.
**** E12. Must these payments be mentioned in the charity's accounts?
The short answer
Yes, in the case of accounts prepared on an accruals basis - in other words, charitable companies and those other types of charity with a gross yearly income of more than £250,000.
In more detail
Under the SORP 2005 accounting framework, charities that prepare their accounts on an accruals basis must give details of payments and other benefits to charity trustees and connected persons - including family members and businesses. They are also required to say under what legal authority the payment is made, together with the reason for it.
Although there is strictly speaking no need for this in the case of charities that prepare accounts on a receipts and payments basis, we recommend, as best practice and to enhance transparency, that similar details are provided. This can help protect trustees from accusations that they are benefiting in some hidden way. ****
Gordo
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