On 26/01/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sit down, camera rolls. "Okay. What was Microsoft's crime?" "Well, I wouldn't call it a *crime* ..." Talked about how it was a conflict of interest and that's bad, how "I said this can only damage their good name and then it damaged their good name". What OOXML is (the Office 2007 file format) and why it's greatly contentious (competition from OpenDocument and OpenOfficeorg). How Doug Mahugh is on the talk page now and that's good and Rick Jelliffe will hopefully contribute his expertise and that's good. So that's the current problem pretty much dealt with. They have no idea how much will be used tonight, "between five seconds and five minutes." It depends whether e.g. John Reid says something particularly stupid in the next hour ;-) The issue now, the real problem, is how Wikipedia deals with this sort of thing in the future. We have procedures for actual legal problems, but not yet for this sort of editorial problem. Something where companies with issues with content can say so, and where the regular volunteers will take an interest and look into improving articles based on that. We don't have that yet. I said we'd probably work out something over the weekend. So, regular editors. How do we set up a page or forum where companies and people written about can express editorial concerns (rather than e.g. legal ones), such that they know people will at least look over them with thought and improve the articles from there? This was a MAJOR news story and it came completely out of the blue. But it is an ongoing problem for Wikipedia - we don't want companies fearful of dealing with us in case they get the sort of bad press this issue got Microsoft and Doug Mahugh. How can we get better at this, quickly? - d.

On 26/01/07, Oldak Quill <oldakquill(a)gmail.com> wrote: Apparently so ;-) My apologies to my fans. NO COKE AND CHICKS FOR ME. Probably C4 or ITN will use the tape in six months as a [[dead donkey]] ;-) Might end up on lunchtime news, watched avidly by bored housewives and students. Perhaps we'll draw in a few more Susans. - d.