In-Reply-To: <CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
Hi Peter
I don't think it's possible to provide a full breakdown, I'm afraid, without breaching the standard obligations of confidentiality we have concerning HR matters. However, I can say that ofthe £57k total, around £3600 was for legal and professional services and £4900 was for recruitment/interview.
Best regards
Michael
____________ Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
Peter Cohen mailto:peterc@cix.compulink.co.uk 24 March 2015 17:24 In-Reply-To: <CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
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Of course it's Lo On 24 Mar 2015 17:57, "Michael Maggs" michaelmaggs@fastmail.com wrote:
Hi Peter
I don't think it's possible to provide a full breakdown, I'm afraid, without breaching the standard obligations of confidentiality we have concerning HR matters. However, I can say that of the £57k total, around £3600 was for legal and professional services and £4900 was for recruitment/interview.
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
Peter Cohen peterc@cix.compulink.co.uk 24 March 2015 17:24 In-Reply-To: < CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
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Sorry; I have been away without internet so only just able to turn my attention to this.
I am probably talking to the wind anyway as, sadly, our community seems a little thin at the moment.. (as thin as our books ;)) but nevertheless.
I can appreciate that the board is on difficult territory due to confidentiality (sigh!) but I think this is a serious matter that needs to be understood. Namely why the board allowed such an expensive out-of-budget spend when finances were in flux (and now emerge to be very problematic). It seems a little negligent to not find a way to take this expenditure into the next financial year where it could be budgeted.
As has emerged in the last few weeks D'arcy is clearly a "transitional" CEO (aka downsizing, re-organisation, whatever it is PC to call it :)) so it is clear the board understood the financial situation going into this transition. Why was this not communicated and discussed prior to the December board meeting? In fact, the community seems to have been explicitly cut out of this process (e.g. cancellation of the strategy day, which would have presented a suitable opportunity to discuss these challenges).
I feel the board owes the community an explanation of the sequence of events over the previous months. Particularly how we have gone from the high of hosting Wikimania to the low that is March 2015. Ultimately the board holds responsibility for these matters and so surely its in their remit to communicate with the community.
Cheers,
Tom
On 24 Mar 2015 17:57, "Michael Maggs" michaelmaggs@fastmail.com wrote:
Hi Peter
I don't think it's possible to provide a full breakdown, I'm afraid, without breaching the standard obligations of confidentiality we have concerning HR matters. However, I can say that of the £57k total, around £3600 was for legal and professional services and £4900 was for recruitment/interview.
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
Peter Cohen peterc@cix.compulink.co.uk 24 March 2015 17:24 In-Reply-To: < CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
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Tom, the board has not 'allowed' anything to happen. As we made clear, action was taken immediately the Wikimania overspend became known (when the draft quarterly accounts became available, shortly before the December board meeting). There was no overspend earlier in the year. The decision to seek an interim CEO [1] was made in November and pre-dates knowledge of the Wikimania figures. It's not legally possible to move Wikimania 2014 expenditure into the 2015 accounts.
____________ Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
[1] https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=62893&o...
Thomas Morton mailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com 28 March 2015 21:20
Sorry; I have been away without internet so only just able to turn my attention to this.
I am probably talking to the wind anyway as, sadly, our community seems a little thin at the moment.. (as thin as our books ;)) but nevertheless.
I can appreciate that the board is on difficult territory due to confidentiality (sigh!) but I think this is a serious matter that needs to be understood. Namely why the board allowed such an expensive out-of-budget spend when finances were in flux (and now emerge to be very problematic). It seems a little negligent to not find a way to take this expenditure into the next financial year where it could be budgeted.
As has emerged in the last few weeks D'arcy is clearly a "transitional" CEO (aka downsizing, re-organisation, whatever it is PC to call it :)) so it is clear the board understood the financial situation going into this transition. Why was this not communicated and discussed prior to the December board meeting? In fact, the community seems to have been explicitly cut out of this process (e.g. cancellation of the strategy day, which would have presented a suitable opportunity to discuss these challenges).
I feel the board owes the community an explanation of the sequence of events over the previous months. Particularly how we have gone from the high of hosting Wikimania to the low that is March 2015. Ultimately the board holds responsibility for these matters and so surely its in their remit to communicate with the community.
Cheers,
Tom
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk Michael Maggs mailto:michaelmaggs@fastmail.com 24 March 2015 17:56 Hi Peter
I don't think it's possible to provide a full breakdown, I'm afraid, without breaching the standard obligations of confidentiality we have concerning HR matters. However, I can say that ofthe £57k total, around £3600 was for legal and professional services and £4900 was for recruitment/interview.
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
Peter Cohen mailto:peterc@cix.compulink.co.uk 24 March 2015 17:24 In-Reply-To: <CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
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It is troubling to read that overspend on an event was not known about until four months after the event finished. On 29 Mar 2015 10:00, "Michael Maggs" Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Tom, the board has not 'allowed' anything to happen. As we made clear, action was taken immediately the Wikimania overspend became known (when the draft quarterly accounts became available, shortly before the December board meeting). There was no overspend earlier in the year. The decision to seek an interim CEO [1] was made in November and pre-dates knowledge of the Wikimania figures. It's not legally possible to move Wikimania 2014 expenditure into the 2015 accounts.
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
[1] https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=62893&o...
Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com 28 March 2015 21:20
Sorry; I have been away without internet so only just able to turn my attention to this.
I am probably talking to the wind anyway as, sadly, our community seems a little thin at the moment.. (as thin as our books ;)) but nevertheless.
I can appreciate that the board is on difficult territory due to confidentiality (sigh!) but I think this is a serious matter that needs to be understood. Namely why the board allowed such an expensive out-of-budget spend when finances were in flux (and now emerge to be very problematic). It seems a little negligent to not find a way to take this expenditure into the next financial year where it could be budgeted.
As has emerged in the last few weeks D'arcy is clearly a "transitional" CEO (aka downsizing, re-organisation, whatever it is PC to call it :)) so it is clear the board understood the financial situation going into this transition. Why was this not communicated and discussed prior to the December board meeting? In fact, the community seems to have been explicitly cut out of this process (e.g. cancellation of the strategy day, which would have presented a suitable opportunity to discuss these challenges).
I feel the board owes the community an explanation of the sequence of events over the previous months. Particularly how we have gone from the high of hosting Wikimania to the low that is March 2015. Ultimately the board holds responsibility for these matters and so surely its in their remit to communicate with the community.
Cheers,
Tom
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk Michael Maggs michaelmaggs@fastmail.com 24 March 2015 17:56 Hi Peter
I don't think it's possible to provide a full breakdown, I'm afraid, without breaching the standard obligations of confidentiality we have concerning HR matters. However, I can say that of the £57k total, around £3600 was for legal and professional services and £4900 was for recruitment/interview.
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
Peter Cohen peterc@cix.compulink.co.uk 24 March 2015 17:24 In-Reply-To: < CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
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On 29/03/15 10:55, James Farrar wrote:
It is troubling to read that overspend on an event was not known about until four months after the event finished.
It would appear so. But what of the value?
Many people have suggested that the annual conference should regain some of the spirit and scale of Frankfurt, the first Wikimania (which I attended). My second Wikimania was in London: I enjoyed both!
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Conference costs are huge, and ticket prices are often nowhere near the true per-attendee cost, even for a non-profit conference.
Fancy venues, transportation, hotels and food are really nice perks to have, but…
If you hold a conference in a squat… the speakers advance their travel expenses… tell people to bring some food… and the wifi will be dodgy for sure…
You'll have a zero-cost conference made with love, but a little rougher around the edges.
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Dodgy wifi? Never happens, does it?
Gordo
Are you saying that the ARC meeting in September did not review the Wikimania spending as it was supposed to (it is on the agenda but the minutes are missing).
Tom
On 29 March 2015 at 10:00, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Tom, the board has not 'allowed' anything to happen. As we made clear, action was taken immediately the Wikimania overspend became known (when the draft quarterly accounts became available, shortly before the December board meeting). There was no overspend earlier in the year. The decision to seek an interim CEO [1] was made in November and pre-dates knowledge of the Wikimania figures. It's not legally possible to move Wikimania 2014 expenditure into the 2015 accounts.
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
[1] https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=62893&o...
Thomas Morton morton.thomas@googlemail.com 28 March 2015 21:20
Sorry; I have been away without internet so only just able to turn my attention to this.
I am probably talking to the wind anyway as, sadly, our community seems a little thin at the moment.. (as thin as our books ;)) but nevertheless.
I can appreciate that the board is on difficult territory due to confidentiality (sigh!) but I think this is a serious matter that needs to be understood. Namely why the board allowed such an expensive out-of-budget spend when finances were in flux (and now emerge to be very problematic). It seems a little negligent to not find a way to take this expenditure into the next financial year where it could be budgeted.
As has emerged in the last few weeks D'arcy is clearly a "transitional" CEO (aka downsizing, re-organisation, whatever it is PC to call it :)) so it is clear the board understood the financial situation going into this transition. Why was this not communicated and discussed prior to the December board meeting? In fact, the community seems to have been explicitly cut out of this process (e.g. cancellation of the strategy day, which would have presented a suitable opportunity to discuss these challenges).
I feel the board owes the community an explanation of the sequence of events over the previous months. Particularly how we have gone from the high of hosting Wikimania to the low that is March 2015. Ultimately the board holds responsibility for these matters and so surely its in their remit to communicate with the community.
Cheers,
Tom
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk Michael Maggs michaelmaggs@fastmail.com 24 March 2015 17:56 Hi Peter
I don't think it's possible to provide a full breakdown, I'm afraid, without breaching the standard obligations of confidentiality we have concerning HR matters. However, I can say that of the £57k total, around £3600 was for legal and professional services and £4900 was for recruitment/interview.
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
Peter Cohen peterc@cix.compulink.co.uk 24 March 2015 17:24 In-Reply-To: < CAEgLstR6hEym_xvq6ugVynKacLpkELQgBUecD4=RrkJnkLau6Q@mail.gmail.c- om> What might be useful is an indication as to how the £57,000 breaks down. In other words how much is down to recruitment costs (e.g. advertising) how much is down to maybe an interim CE demanding more pay and how much to a period in which more than one person being paid a salary related to the post (e.g. due to accumulated untaken annual leave amounting to several months pay or an unworked notice period or paid sick leave entitlement, you needn't specify which) or ex gratia payments being made to the departing CE.
Also are there any plans being put into place to try to reduce the potential for the next transition costing as much?
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