I have problem with geonotices. I cannot see them.... (in my watchlist).
Tried Chrome on Ubuntu, Firefox on a Mac, and still I cannot see them.
My IP address is clearly in the UK range (in London, I believe).
I have tried different skins, added some CSS, created a new account. Still no luck.
Any thoughts? Am I the only one?
Gordo
Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that.
Cheers, Craig Franklin On 15/10/2012 9:56 PM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
I have problem with geonotices. I cannot see them.... (in my watchlist).
Tried Chrome on Ubuntu, Firefox on a Mac, and still I cannot see them.
My IP address is clearly in the UK range (in London, I believe).
I have tried different skins, added some CSS, created a new account. Still no luck.
Any thoughts? Am I the only one?
Gordo
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On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote:
Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool?
Can I enter an IP address range into the database? I am sure thousands of BT Infinity customers would thank me.
Gordo
Hi Gorgo,
What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The database is usually pretty accurate.
Harry
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On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote:
Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool?
Can I enter an IP address range into the database? I am sure thousands of BT Infinity customers would thank me.
Gordo
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(Location-wise, I mean. No need to publish your IP if you don't want to.)
Harry
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Harry Burt harryaburt@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Gorgo,
What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The database is usually pretty accurate.
Harry
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On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.comwrote:
On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote:
Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool?
Can I enter an IP address range into the database? I am sure thousands of BT Infinity customers would thank me.
Gordo
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On 15/10/12 14:07, Harry Burt wrote:
Hi Gorgo,
What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The database is usually pretty accurate.
Harry
Geo = {"city":"London","country":"GB","lat":"51.514198","lon":"-0.093100","IP":"86.157.yyy.xxx","netmask":"22"}
Looks like that is correct then....(I have hidden my actuall IP).
Gordo
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works...
Huzzah!
Gordo
Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick...
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On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works...
Huzzah!
Gordo
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Yes, most kludges need that level of TLC.
Gordo
On 15/10/12 15:23, Richard Symonds wrote:
Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick...
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On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.com mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote:
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works... Huzzah! Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
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Geonotices are known for being... temperamental. The MediaWiki page is very fragile and a single character out of place can break it, and obviously the database is imperfect. They work pretty well, but they're not 100% reliable, so cases like this aren't unheard of. Harry Mitchell
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________________________________ From: Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 15:43 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Yes, most kludges need that level of TLC.
Gordo
On 15/10/12 15:23, Richard Symonds wrote:
Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick...
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On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP
address, and it works...
Huzzah!
Gordo
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While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles
On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles
Done.
(Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.)
On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles
Done.
(Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.)
It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based.
On 16/10/12 13:24, Thomas Dalton wrote:
It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based.
Not the datacenter (first hop)?
I did find that one IP address said Bank, which is the registered off of BT (well St. Paul's).
Gordo
What Tom said. Also, these meetups are often of interest to peopld further afield, and perhaps they might inspire somebody to set one up in their neck of the woods if there isn't one near them.
Harry Mitchell
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________________________________ From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 13:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles
Done.
(Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.)
It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based.
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so what can i do? But is it true the google make a winner to the e-mail programs?
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What Tom said. Also, these meetups are often of interest to peopld further afield, and perhaps they might inspire somebody to set one up in their neck of the woods if there isn't one near them.
Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
________________________________ From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 13:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles
Done.
(Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.)
It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based.
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On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote: if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.)
It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based.
Truth.
I just checked where http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org/ believes my (fixed) IP addresses are. "Truro" is the response! (I'm actually just north of London). Geolocation has been something of an interest of mine for a few years and whilst sub-country details can be good in, for example, the USA, it is poor to useless in the UK (and thus something I am working on improving). Some GeoIP services are more accurate for me. IPv6, btw, will make the issue more difficult initially, primarily because of the use of tunneling.
AlisonW
On 18/10/12 00:11, Alison M. Wheeler wrote:
Truth.
I just checked wherehttp://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org/ believes my (fixed) IP addresses are. "Truro" is the response! (I'm actually just north of London). Geolocation has been something of an interest of mine for a few years and whilst sub-country details can be good in, for example, the USA, it is poor to useless in the UK (and thus something I am working on improving). Some GeoIP services are more accurate for me. IPv6, btw, will make the issue more difficult initially, primarily because of the use of tunneling.
AlisonW
Indeed. I once suggested the multicast (Class D IP addressing) might help with issuing geonotices. But I am told that multicast is not longer tied to geographic location, or location as measured by TTL (time to live) or hops in the network.
Gordo
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