Further more to the conversation http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AScribblewikiLover&... is what Alison said and makes interesting reading.

From: email@mikepeel.net Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:27:33 +0100 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)

Could you provide a link to "what Alsion has said on en.wiki"?

Thanks, Mike

On 17 Sep 2008, at 09:36, Christopher Wood ((Student)) wrote:

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I saw this too and was in the middle of an email to MaxSem asking why Scribblewiki was a sock. Looking through what Alsion has said on en.wiki looks like it was an unlawful checkuser block anyway. Just because someone uses the same IP doesn't make them the same user as someone else. There contribs are totally different.

C

-----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael Peel Sent: 17 September 2008 09:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)

All,

[[meta:User:MaxSem]] has removed [[meta:User:ScribblewikiLover]] from the list of board candidates, saying "rm troll". On ScribblewikiLover's talk page he says that "This user is blocked because he is a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of [[:en:User:Chris19910]] and had a few socks blocked on Meta."

I don't know what to say to this... Does anyone know anything more about this apparent saga? (presumably he was checkuser'd for a reason?)

Mike

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2008/9/17 Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com:

I would be very very wary about removing people from the list even if you have definite proof that they've committed some rather more heinous sin than using a sock. If that's an issue that should disqualify people from standing, we have to trust that the voters will have the sense to realise this. (Obviously we want to take reasonable precautions against both a user and their sock voting, but that's a different issue entirely.)

Unless we get a zillion of 'em clogging the list, then yeah, leave it to the voters to have a clue. If they vote for someone playing silly buggers like this then they get what they deserve.

- d.

2008/9/17 Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com:

I would be very very wary about removing people from the list even if you have definite proof that they've committed some rather more heinous sin than using a sock. If that's an issue that should disqualify people from standing, we have to trust that the voters will have the sense to realise this. (Obviously we want to take reasonable precautions against both a user and their sock voting, but that's a different issue entirely.)

I agree, if the community wants a troll on the board then there should be a troll on the board. That said, if anyone is to be removed from the list, it should only be by the unanimous agreement of the election committee - they were formed in order to deal with this kind of thing, let's let them do their job.

I agree with what is being said, I think that although this user has been blocked by Alison on en and by MaxSem on Meta doesnt mean that this user cant be part of the community. Like you say it is a totally different part of the chapter and has nothing what soever to do with WMF and anything that happens on there is what happens there and what happens on this chapter is up to the Board and whoever to decide on this policy. Is this not true?

Chris> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:10:47 -0400> From: wknight8111@gmail.com> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Tom Holden thomas.holden@gmail.com wrote:> > I would be very very wary about removing people from the list even if> > you have definite proof that they've committed some rather more> > heinous sin than using a sock. If that's an issue that should> > disqualify people from standing, we have to trust that the voters will> > have the sense to realise this. (Obviously we want to take reasonable> > precautions against both a user and their sock voting, but that's a> > different issue entirely.)> > Yes. Keep in mind that you guys are a separate legal entity with no> formal ties to the WMF projects, or the users who use them. Consider> this a very firm suggestion that you not tie your membership nor> leadership to actions on any one particular wiki, especially wikis> that you do not own or control. This helps on both ends because it> keeps you independent from decisions/actions made by the WMF or> decisions made by volunteers on the wiki, and it also helps to protect> the wiki from chapters who start to feel a personal ownership over the> projects and attempt to exert undue control over them because of it.> > --Andrew Whitworth> > _______________________________________________> Wikimedia UK mailing list> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK%3E http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/

Indeed. However, laying out a welcome mat for proven malicious dickheads strikes me as unlikely to work out wonderfully. Your mileage may vary.

We're just opening the door, it's up to the voters whether they lay out a welcome mat. Personally, I have faith in the UK community.