On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly
are the rules of the game?
The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia
project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/
groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still
missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly
detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details
are set but just not put on paper yet!
From various discussions, the outline seems to be:
People are invited to take photos, within the rules of the particular
institution. For instance, the V&A say no tripods, no photos in
temporary exhibitions (these are marked on the museum guide) and none
of work created by artists who are alive or who died within 70 years
(a precise statement of their rules will be posted to the wiki soon);
as most of their collection is older than 200 years, the last isn't
much of a problem as long as you keep away from the modern sections.
If you take a photo of an item, please make your next photo a photo of
the label so we can catalogue.
People will be given a list of about 50 themes. For instance if the
theme is "politician" (not giving anything away here!), you would get
a point for a photograph of a sculture of a politician. You can get a
maximum of three points per theme so the most you could get is 150
points. A photo cannot count to more than one theme.
Once taken, please upload the photo of the item and the label to
flickr. Add a name, description and tag "V&A". Also tag the
that applies to the photo. Crop, rotate, sharpen or otherwise edit it
within flickr as necessary; Change the license to CC-Attribution or CC-
Attribution-ShareAlike. Then add it to the WLA group.
I've just noticed incidentally that flickr has an upload limit of
100MB per month for free accounts. My 6mp camera creates photos about
0.5 to 2 MB in size meaning I expect to get around 100 photos for that
(50 images plus 50 tags). Is this likely to cause a problem? Can you
get round it by just creating three accounts?
Or should we say people can alternatively just upload the photo of the
item, as long as you transcribe the label onto the description?
Each museum will go round each photo tagged to them and check it
complies with their restrictions (e.g. living artists). I'm not sure
at the moment whether they will remove non-compliant images from the
group or tag them and ask the photographer to remove them from the
group. Either way they will still be there on the person's own
photostream so there's no loss if we need to reverse it. Also I'm not
sure whether someone will go round positively tagging those that
appear to be compliant.
We will also contact users who haven't applied a wikipedia-compatible
license to ask them to change it.
All photos must be uploaded with the right tags and license by the end
of February to get any points.
Once all this is done, we'll tot up the points and announce the
results. The three people who get the most points will each win a
prize. The person with the most points will also win the prize from
Wikipedia Loves Art, which is to nominate their favourite artist and a
group of wikpedians will create a Good Article on the artist.
We'll then ask people to nominate what they think is the best addition
to wikipedia, have a vote and the winner of that will also get a
Employees of the V&A and Board members of Wiki UK Ltd are not eligible
for prizes but are still welcome to take part!
After that, comes stage 2 which is to identify photos that would be
useful on wikipedia. I would expect to see a number of repeat images,
so we should try to identify the best photos. This is probably best
done by adding comments to the photo in the group. Once this is done,
transfer them to Commons using a tool like
and link into articles. Also add a category like "Wikipedia Loves Art"
so we can keep track on the lasting impact we're having. This will all
be done in March/April.
ok, how does that sound? Is this plan going to work? Is there a better
way of doing things? What other details need to be decided to make
this project work?
How does that sound? Complicated, and the competitor cannot control
"stage 2". So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage, there
may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not
And I thought that this was a team competition.
"Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and
sign-up online (posted soon)."
Is the V & A competition a solo effort?