Hi all,
I'm starting to get some more details together about the events at the Victoria & Albert Museum that we're running as part of the Wikipedia Loves Art project.
The V&A are organising their launch event on Sunday 1st February - time to be confirmed. If you can come down that day or otherwise contribute either in person or on wiki during February please sign you name up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WLA@V%26A#Participants
Please spread the word to anyone else you know who may be interested - the following groups have already been notified: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WLA@V%26A#Publicity and please add in any other groups you contact.
Lastly, we're planning a short discussion on irc:wikimedia-uk to organise the event and sort out how the V&A element is going to fit in with the international project.
If you can think of anything else please post on the project talkpage!
Regards,
Andrew
There is now a facebook event for this here:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110672260261
and a central WLA group here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43008300207
Please spam all your friends to join the event. We want as good a turn out as possible.
Tom
2008/12/31 AndrewRT raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
Hi all,
I'm starting to get some more details together about the events at the Victoria & Albert Museum that we're running as part of the Wikipedia Loves Art project.
The V&A are organising their launch event on Sunday 1st February - time to be confirmed. If you can come down that day or otherwise contribute either in person or on wiki during February please sign you name up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WLA@V%26A#Participants
Please spread the word to anyone else you know who may be interested - the following groups have already been notified: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WLA@V%26A#Publicity and please add in any other groups you contact.
Lastly, we're planning a short discussion on irc:wikimedia-uk to organise the event and sort out how the V&A element is going to fit in with the international project.
If you can think of anything else please post on the project talkpage!
Regards,
Andrew
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At 23:51 +0000 6/1/09, Tom Holden wrote:
There is now a facebook event for this here:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110672260261
and a central WLA group here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43008300207
Please spam all your friends to join the event. We want as good a turn out as possible.
Tom
Very nice.
Now, where are the rules of the game?
Gordo
At 10:32 +0000 7/1/09, Gordon Joly wrote:
At 23:51 +0000 6/1/09, Tom Holden wrote:
There is now a facebook event for this here:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110672260261
and a central WLA group here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43008300207
Please spam all your friends to join the event. We want as good a turn out as possible.
Tom
Very nice.
Now, where are the rules of the game?
Gordo
And I have just seen this....
Gordo
Now, where are the rules of the game?
Gordo
Why do I ask? Easy - I have suffered too many deletes from Commons of images that I created of work of arts. I have stopped submitting much at all to Commons, since I cannot be sure that I am submitting permissible work.
So, this competition is going to be populated with people (like me) who don't know that I cannot take a picture of art work in a temporary exhibition and submit it to Commons.
I know that the rules for Wikipedia are different, which was was why I asked about the primary submission site - would it be Commons or Wikipedia. FLICKR does not have any GFDL options: everything is submitted under Creative Commons Licence, or full copyright. Three of the options are incompatible with Commons:
Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs Creative Commons
See http://www.flickr.com/account/prefs/license/ (you will have to login).
A scavenger hunt works best where there is some freedom to interpret the rules, bend them, extend them etc.
And have fun.
Gordo
On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Now, where are the rules of the game?
Gordo
The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/ groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details are set but just not put on paper yet!
From various discussions, the outline seems to be:
People are invited to take photos, within the rules of the particular institution. For instance, the V&A say no tripods, no photos in temporary exhibitions (these are marked on the museum guide) and none of work created by artists who are alive or who died within 70 years (a precise statement of their rules will be posted to the wiki soon); as most of their collection is older than 200 years, the last isn't much of a problem as long as you keep away from the modern sections. If you take a photo of an item, please make your next photo a photo of the label so we can catalogue.
People will be given a list of about 50 themes. For instance if the theme is "politician" (not giving anything away here!), you would get a point for a photograph of a sculture of a politician. You can get a maximum of three points per theme so the most you could get is 150 points. A photo cannot count to more than one theme.
Once taken, please upload the photo of the item and the label to flickr. Add a name, description and tag "V&A". Also tag the "theme" that applies to the photo. Crop, rotate, sharpen or otherwise edit it within flickr as necessary; Change the license to CC-Attribution or CC- Attribution-ShareAlike. Then add it to the WLA group.
I've just noticed incidentally that flickr has an upload limit of 100MB per month for free accounts. My 6mp camera creates photos about 0.5 to 2 MB in size meaning I expect to get around 100 photos for that (50 images plus 50 tags). Is this likely to cause a problem? Can you get round it by just creating three accounts?
Or should we say people can alternatively just upload the photo of the item, as long as you transcribe the label onto the description?
Each museum will go round each photo tagged to them and check it complies with their restrictions (e.g. living artists). I'm not sure at the moment whether they will remove non-compliant images from the group or tag them and ask the photographer to remove them from the group. Either way they will still be there on the person's own photostream so there's no loss if we need to reverse it. Also I'm not sure whether someone will go round positively tagging those that appear to be compliant.
We will also contact users who haven't applied a wikipedia-compatible license to ask them to change it.
All photos must be uploaded with the right tags and license by the end of February to get any points.
Once all this is done, we'll tot up the points and announce the results. The three people who get the most points will each win a prize. The person with the most points will also win the prize from Wikipedia Loves Art, which is to nominate their favourite artist and a group of wikpedians will create a Good Article on the artist.
We'll then ask people to nominate what they think is the best addition to wikipedia, have a vote and the winner of that will also get a prize.
Employees of the V&A and Board members of Wiki UK Ltd are not eligible for prizes but are still welcome to take part!
After that, comes stage 2 which is to identify photos that would be useful on wikipedia. I would expect to see a number of repeat images, so we should try to identify the best photos. This is probably best done by adding comments to the photo in the group. Once this is done, transfer them to Commons using a tool like http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload and link into articles. Also add a category like "Wikipedia Loves Art" so we can keep track on the lasting impact we're having. This will all be done in March/April.
ok, how does that sound? Is this plan going to work? Is there a better way of doing things? What other details need to be decided to make this project work?
regards,
Andrew
At 14:23 -0800 8/1/09, AndrewRT wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Now, where are the rules of the game?
Gordo
The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/ groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details are set but just not put on paper yet!
Or online.
Gordo
At 14:23 -0800 8/1/09, AndrewRT wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Now, where are the rules of the game?
Gordo
The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/ groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details are set but just not put on paper yet!
From various discussions, the outline seems to be:
People are invited to take photos, within the rules of the particular institution. For instance, the V&A say no tripods, no photos in temporary exhibitions (these are marked on the museum guide) and none of work created by artists who are alive or who died within 70 years (a precise statement of their rules will be posted to the wiki soon); as most of their collection is older than 200 years, the last isn't much of a problem as long as you keep away from the modern sections. If you take a photo of an item, please make your next photo a photo of the label so we can catalogue.
People will be given a list of about 50 themes. For instance if the theme is "politician" (not giving anything away here!), you would get a point for a photograph of a sculture of a politician. You can get a maximum of three points per theme so the most you could get is 150 points. A photo cannot count to more than one theme.
Once taken, please upload the photo of the item and the label to flickr. Add a name, description and tag "V&A". Also tag the "theme" that applies to the photo. Crop, rotate, sharpen or otherwise edit it within flickr as necessary; Change the license to CC-Attribution or CC- Attribution-ShareAlike. Then add it to the WLA group.
I've just noticed incidentally that flickr has an upload limit of 100MB per month for free accounts. My 6mp camera creates photos about 0.5 to 2 MB in size meaning I expect to get around 100 photos for that (50 images plus 50 tags). Is this likely to cause a problem? Can you get round it by just creating three accounts?
Or should we say people can alternatively just upload the photo of the item, as long as you transcribe the label onto the description?
Each museum will go round each photo tagged to them and check it complies with their restrictions (e.g. living artists). I'm not sure at the moment whether they will remove non-compliant images from the group or tag them and ask the photographer to remove them from the group. Either way they will still be there on the person's own photostream so there's no loss if we need to reverse it. Also I'm not sure whether someone will go round positively tagging those that appear to be compliant.
We will also contact users who haven't applied a wikipedia-compatible license to ask them to change it.
All photos must be uploaded with the right tags and license by the end of February to get any points.
Once all this is done, we'll tot up the points and announce the results. The three people who get the most points will each win a prize. The person with the most points will also win the prize from Wikipedia Loves Art, which is to nominate their favourite artist and a group of wikpedians will create a Good Article on the artist.
We'll then ask people to nominate what they think is the best addition to wikipedia, have a vote and the winner of that will also get a prize.
Employees of the V&A and Board members of Wiki UK Ltd are not eligible for prizes but are still welcome to take part!
After that, comes stage 2 which is to identify photos that would be useful on wikipedia. I would expect to see a number of repeat images, so we should try to identify the best photos. This is probably best done by adding comments to the photo in the group. Once this is done, transfer them to Commons using a tool like http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload and link into articles. Also add a category like "Wikipedia Loves Art" so we can keep track on the lasting impact we're having. This will all be done in March/April.
ok, how does that sound? Is this plan going to work? Is there a better way of doing things? What other details need to be decided to make this project work?
regards,
Andrew
Thanks Andrew.
How does that sound? Complicated, and the competitor cannot control "stage 2". So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage, there may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not the judges).
And I thought that this was a team competition.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/
"Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and sign-up online (posted soon)."
Is the V & A competition a solo effort?
Gordon
On Jan 10, 10:56 am, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
How does that sound? Complicated...
Can you suggest any ways of making it simpler?
...and the competitor cannot control "stage 2". So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage,
Yes, I spoke to Pharos about this previously - he though it would be best to keep the competition restricted to stage 1. Stage 2 is still important of course otherwise wikipedia doesn't get to benefit from the photos and everyone is welcome to join in!
there may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not the judges).
Yes - that's the main reason why Pharos thought it best not to have the competetion at this stage.
And I thought that this was a team competition.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/
"Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and sign-up online (posted soon)."
Yes I forgot that bit, you can also do it in a team if you prefer.
Is the V & A competition a solo effort?
No. It's a bit complicated and personally I feel like I'm being pulled in all directions! The project is being organised by the Brooklyn Museum in New York, who have asked other museums to get involved. Pharos is coordinating the wikipedia side in New York and globally; the V&A are organising (although I'm not sure exactly what at this stage) the London launch event on 1st Feb and my job is to advertise the London event among the WP community and get as many people along as possible!
Points will be added up and prizes given to the different teams who participate at the different museums.
Hope that's a little clearer!
Andrew
At 10:23 -0800 11/1/09, AndrewRT wrote:
On Jan 10, 10:56 am, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
How does that sound? Complicated...
Can you suggest any ways of making it simpler?
Thousands of ways....
Gordo
At 10:23 -0800 11/1/09, AndrewRT wrote:
On Jan 10, 10:56 am, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
How does that sound? Complicated...
Can you suggest any ways of making it simpler?
...and the competitor cannot control "stage 2". So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage,
Yes, I spoke to Pharos about this previously - he though it would be best to keep the competition restricted to stage 1. Stage 2 is still important of course otherwise wikipedia doesn't get to benefit from the photos and everyone is welcome to join in!
there may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not the judges).
Yes - that's the main reason why Pharos thought it best not to have the competetion at this stage.
And I thought that this was a team competition.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/
"Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and sign-up online (posted soon)."
Yes I forgot that bit, you can also do it in a team if you prefer.
Is the V & A competition a solo effort?
No. It's a bit complicated and personally I feel like I'm being pulled in all directions! The project is being organised by the Brooklyn Museum in New York, who have asked other museums to get involved. Pharos is coordinating the wikipedia side in New York and globally; the V&A are organising (although I'm not sure exactly what at this stage) the London launch event on 1st Feb and my job is to advertise the London event among the WP community and get as many people along as possible!
Points will be added up and prizes given to the different teams who participate at the different museums.
Hope that's a little clearer!
Andrew
Yes, loads. Good luck.
Gordo
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