I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going?
London E14, 11 to 6.30. Looks quite interesting.
On Fri, March 16, 2007 19:22, Andrew Gray wrote:
I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going? http://www.okfn.org/okcon/
I feel like being a little flippant and commenting that this is such "open knowledge" that I hadn't heard of it and they hadn't contacted WMUK, who would, I'd have thought, count as a group involved in the furtherance of open knowledge!
Alison
On 16/03/07, Alison Wheeler wikimedia@alisonwheeler.com wrote:
I feel like being a little flippant and commenting that this is such "open knowledge" that I hadn't heard of it and they hadn't contacted WMUK, who would, I'd have thought, count as a group involved in the furtherance of open knowledge!
Evidence, perhaps, that Wikimedia UK needs to pimp itself out there more...;)
Rob Church
On Fri, March 16, 2007 22:01, Rob Church wrote:
Evidence, perhaps, that Wikimedia UK needs to pimp itself out there more...;)
We've already been doing some of that (though 'pimp' probably doesn't apply as we aren't making much money from it!) but the reverse is also true - OKF need to let other UK-based organisations working in similar spheres know that they exist too.
Alison
On 16/03/07, Alison Wheeler wikimedia@alisonwheeler.com wrote:
On Fri, March 16, 2007 19:22, Andrew Gray wrote:
I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going? http://www.okfn.org/okcon/
I feel like being a little flippant and commenting that this is such "open knowledge" that I hadn't heard of it and they hadn't contacted WMUK, who would, I'd have thought, count as a group involved in the furtherance of open knowledge!
You're not right about that: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/2007-February/000833.html
A representative posted on this list last month. From the e-mail: "One of our particular aims is to keep space (physical and temporal) at the event for 'extra', and perhaps unplanned, presentations, demos and workshops."
Shame we hadn't prepared anything.
I might well be going. I'll take a look at the itinerary later.
On Fri, March 16, 2007 22:05, Oldak Quill wrote:
A representative posted on this list last month. From the e-mail: "One of our particular aims is to keep space (physical and temporal) at the event for 'extra', and perhaps unplanned, presentations, demos and workshops." Shame we hadn't prepared anything.
I don't think anyone would consider the posting of a message to a world-wide list [foundation-l] was an adequate or suitable way to formally contact an organisation. Rufus's mail to foundation was then copied to this list, though I have to say that I didn't notice it at the time (too many lists, way too many posts, too little time!)
I have just sent a note to them asking that they keep us in mind next time, especially given that we the the first-listed entry on their Open Projects [1] page.
Alison
[1] http://www.okfn.org/open%20knowledge%20trail/open_projects/
At 21:54 +0000 16/3/07, Alison Wheeler wrote:
On Fri, March 16, 2007 19:22, Andrew Gray wrote:
I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going? http://www.okfn.org/okcon/
I feel like being a little flippant and commenting that this is such "open knowledge" that I hadn't heard of it and they hadn't contacted WMUK, who would, I'd have thought, count as a group involved in the furtherance of open knowledge!
Alison
I will be there................... look forward to seeing y'all there too!
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On 16/03/07, Alison Wheeler wikimedia@alisonwheeler.com wrote:
On Fri, March 16, 2007 19:22, Andrew Gray wrote:
I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going? http://www.okfn.org/okcon/
I feel like being a little flippant and commenting that this is such "open knowledge" that I hadn't heard of it and they hadn't contacted WMUK, who would, I'd have thought, count as a group involved in the furtherance of open knowledge!
It was advertised on one of the WM lists (foundation or wikien-l, I think) about a month or six weeks ago, and I forwarded it here, but other than that it seems to be generally rather low-profile - I haven't stumbled across mention of it elsewhere
On 16/03/07, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going?
London E14, 11 to 6.30. Looks quite interesting.
Did anyone go?
I saw the open media and science sections (1400-1800) which were both interesting. A general theme seemed to be increasing access to free information: better search engines, awareness, taking it to the public, sharing, &c. BBC's failings when it comes to the Creative Archive were expounded.
Science was particularly good (but then, I'm a scientist) - discussed importance of free science. Both increasing access to already free materials and freeing currently non-free things (journals) were brought up. Pharmaceutical patents were mentioned. The power of the semantic web was brought in (in reference to the annotated human genome, chemistry).
I'm not sure there was much of a message there for Wikimedia since the creation of free content was barely touched. Wikimedia Commons could perhaps take something from the Open Media talks: collaborating with similar projects, making it easy for other projects to use it's information, interoperability.
Maybe we should start looking to the potential of the semantic web... (Semantic MediaWiki).
The talks were recorded so hopefully they'll be made available to watch online.
On 17/03/07, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
Did anyone go?
Yup. Didn't see you there - at least, don't think I did - but I spotted Gordon (and the back of my head's in his photos...). A couple of Wikimedians of various stripes were talking, though I'm not sure they read the lists - Goatchurch's talk on UN documents was pretty interesting.
I saw the open media and science sections (1400-1800) which were both interesting. A general theme seemed to be increasing access to free information: better search engines, awareness, taking it to the public, sharing, &c. BBC's failings when it comes to the Creative Archive were expounded.
As were the failings of Creative Commons! I rather like the comments about "just another brand", which is a problem I've vaguely sensed before but never seen stated as such, and it's a very interesting summary of a lot of the problems with it.
Science was particularly good (but then, I'm a scientist) - discussed importance of free science. Both increasing access to already free materials and freeing currently non-free things (journals) were brought up. Pharmaceutical patents were mentioned. The power of the semantic web was brought in (in reference to the annotated human genome, chemistry).
Plus the (IMO somewhat unjustified) session of beating up the poor guy from OPSI - apparently spending effort on making sure that government documents are published in a way that makes them usable is a great waste of time, and we should just throw everything online in a web 2.0 sort of way and Trust To The Internet to solve it.
On the plus side, I cornered him afterwards and managed to find out that a project I've been preparing for (and resigned to starting myself!) for some time will be going ahead, which is excellent news.
At 18:54 +0000 18/3/07, Andrew Gray wrote:
On 17/03/07, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
Did anyone go?
Yup. Didn't see you there - at least, don't think I did - but I spotted Gordon (and the back of my head's in his photos...). A couple of Wikimedians of various stripes were talking, though I'm not sure they read the lists - Goatchurch's talk on UN documents was pretty interesting.
I saw the open media and science sections (1400-1800) which were both interesting. A general theme seemed to be increasing access to free information: better search engines, awareness, taking it to the public, sharing, &c. BBC's failings when it comes to the Creative Archive were expounded.
As were the failings of Creative Commons! I rather like the comments about "just another brand", which is a problem I've vaguely sensed before but never seen stated as such, and it's a very interesting summary of a lot of the problems with it.
Science was particularly good (but then, I'm a scientist) - discussed importance of free science. Both increasing access to already free materials and freeing currently non-free things (journals) were brought up. Pharmaceutical patents were mentioned. The power of the semantic web was brought in (in reference to the annotated human genome, chemistry).
Plus the (IMO somewhat unjustified) session of beating up the poor guy from OPSI - apparently spending effort on making sure that government documents are published in a way that makes them usable is a great waste of time, and we should just throw everything online in a web 2.0 sort of way and Trust To The Internet to solve it.
On the plus side, I cornered him afterwards and managed to find out that a project I've been preparing for (and resigned to starting myself!) for some time will be going ahead, which is excellent news.
--
- Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
_
It was a good day overall, and very good value at 10 quid! The guy from OPSI often confessed to "speaking above his pay grade"!
Some impressions from my day can be found at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loopzilla/tags/ok10/
Gordon
At 21:38 +0000 17/3/07, Oldak Quill wrote:
On 16/03/07, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just putting some stuff together before I head out for this tomorrow - is anyone else from the list going?
London E14, 11 to 6.30. Looks quite interesting.
Did anyone go?
I saw the open media and science sections (1400-1800) which were both interesting. A general theme seemed to be increasing access to free information: better search engines, awareness, taking it to the public, sharing, &c. BBC's failings when it comes to the Creative Archive were expounded.
Science was particularly good (but then, I'm a scientist) - discussed importance of free science. Both increasing access to already free materials and freeing currently non-free things (journals) were brought up. Pharmaceutical patents were mentioned. The power of the semantic web was brought in (in reference to the annotated human genome, chemistry).
I'm not sure there was much of a message there for Wikimedia since the creation of free content was barely touched. Wikimedia Commons could perhaps take something from the Open Media talks: collaborating with similar projects, making it easy for other projects to use it's information, interoperability.
Maybe we should start looking to the potential of the semantic web... (Semantic MediaWiki).
The talks were recorded so hopefully they'll be made available to watch online.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
I saw most of the morning session on geodata, and most of the science session. The panel was chaired by Becky Hogge (Open Rights Group). The panel were:
Ed Parsons, until recently CTO of the Ordnance Survey
Steve Coast, founder of Open Street Map
Charles Arthur, http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/ and Technology Editor of the Guardian
The theme of the day was "Atomisation and Commercial Opportunity" and both those seen pertinent to Wikipedia.
I also stayed until the end, and enjoyed the open talks. I was in Room 2.
Jo Walsh's slot was taken by Hugh Barnard
Finally, we adjourned to "5b Urban Bar" - formerly "The Five Bells and Blade Bone" in Three Colt Street.
Gordo
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