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Michael Peel

29 Jan 2009 29 Jan '09

9:29 a.m.

This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. Mike Begin forwarded message:

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From: James Forrester <jdforrester(a)gmail.com> Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT To: Communications Committee <wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online" Reply-To: Communications Committee <wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?). Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-) Yours, -- James D. Forrester jdforrester(a)wikimedia.org | jdforrester(a)gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] _______________________________________________ Wmfcc-l mailing list Wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wmfcc-l

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AndrewRT

29 Jan 29 Jan

1:44 p.m.

Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just copy them into Commons? On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel <em...(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

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From: James Forrester <jdforres...(a)gmail.com> Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT To: Communications Committee <wmfc...(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online" Reply-To: Communications Committee <wmfc...(a)lists.wikimedia.org>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia

We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).

Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)

Yours, -- James D. Forrester jdforres...(a)wikimedia.org | jdforres...(a)gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]

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Michael Peel

2:21 p.m.

Undoubtably some of them will be public domain - those for which the author died over 70 years ago - but it tends to be troublesome to find out when the author did die. Others, especially any audio/video, will still be copyrighted by the author. Assuming the authors are still alive, we'd need to get their permission to release them under a free license (we're a bit stuck with those where the author died less than 70 years ago, though, unless anyone's any good at necromancy...) Either way, there are a lot of cases where it will be non-trivial to find out the copyright status, and it would be good if we could work with the BBC to establish them. Mike On 29 Jan 2009, at 13:44, AndrewRT wrote:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia

We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).

Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)

Yours, -- James D. Forrester jdforres...(a)wikimedia.org | jdforres...(a)gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]

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AndrewRT

30 Jan 30 Jan

7:52 p.m.

My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph? On Jan 29, 2:21 pm, Michael Peel <em...(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

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Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just copy them into Commons?

On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel <em...(a)mikepeel.net> wrote: > This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content > online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it > might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to > 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.

> Mike

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>> From: James Forrester <jdforres...(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT >> To: Communications Committee <wmfc...(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >> Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil >> paintings online" >> Reply-To: Communications Committee <wmfc...(a)lists.wikimedia.org>

>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia

>> We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to >> play >> in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).

>> Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)

>> Yours, >> -- >> James D. Forrester >> jdforres...(a)wikimedia.org | jdforres...(a)gmail.com >> [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]

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Andrew Gray

7:57 p.m.

2009/1/30 AndrewRT <raturvey(a)yahoo.co.uk>uk>:

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My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?

Mark (Markie)

8:08 p.m.

in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us. regards mark On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>wrote;wrote:

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2009/1/30 AndrewRT <raturvey(a)yahoo.co.uk>uk>:

My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?

Probably. In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much recent caselaw AIUI and if someone took it to court it could potentially go either way. I'd bet on the court ruling for them retaining the rights, though. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

Michael Peel

8:10 p.m.

As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us. Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them copyright over their images for 15 years. The best thing to do is to try to work with them... :) Mike On 30 Jan 2009, at 20:08, Mark (Markie) wrote:

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in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us. regards mark On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote: 2009/1/30 AndrewRT <raturvey(a)yahoo.co.uk>uk>:

My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain,

they

still own the copyright to the photograph?

Mark (Markie)

8:15 p.m.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

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As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us.

probably a reasonable point, but hard to point againts us i should think (grey area ish)

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Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them copyright over their images for 15 years.

and another reasonable point

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The best thing to do is to try to work with them... :)

yup :)

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Mike On 30 Jan 2009, at 20:08, Mark (Markie) wrote:

My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain,

they

still own the copyright to the photograph?

Sam Korn

31 Jan 31 Jan

11:04 a.m.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

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Indeed. The BBC have been doing good things recently in terms of free content -- it might well be worth asking them... -- Sam PGP public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sam_Korn/public_key

Andrew Gray

30 Jan 30 Jan

8:21 p.m.

2009/1/30 Mark (Markie) <newsmarkie(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us.

The rules that apply to us, as WMF, hosting them, perhaps. But they're certainly not the rules that apply to us, the British citizens sitting in the UK, making copies and uploading them! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

George D. Watson

8:09 p.m.

New subject: Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

Yeah, the BBC has a bit more clout than us. I'd email them asking for explicit permission, if I were you. Andrew Gray wrote:

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2009/1/30 AndrewRT <raturvey(a)yahoo.co.uk>uk>:

My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?

-- George D. Watson

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