This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
Mike
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From: James Forrester jdforrester@gmail.com Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online" Reply-To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia
We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).
Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)
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Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just copy them into Commons?
On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
Mike
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From: James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT To: Communications Committee wmfc...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online" Reply-To: Communications Committee wmfc...@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia
We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).
Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)
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Undoubtably some of them will be public domain - those for which the author died over 70 years ago - but it tends to be troublesome to find out when the author did die. Others, especially any audio/video, will still be copyrighted by the author. Assuming the authors are still alive, we'd need to get their permission to release them under a free license (we're a bit stuck with those where the author died less than 70 years ago, though, unless anyone's any good at necromancy...)
Either way, there are a lot of cases where it will be non-trivial to find out the copyright status, and it would be good if we could work with the BBC to establish them.
Mike
On 29 Jan 2009, at 13:44, AndrewRT wrote:
Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just copy them into Commons?
On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
Mike
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia
We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).
Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)
Yours,
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My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?
On Jan 29, 2:21 pm, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
Undoubtably some of them will be public domain - those for which the author died over 70 years ago - but it tends to be troublesome to find out when the author did die. Others, especially any audio/video, will still be copyrighted by the author. Assuming the authors are still alive, we'd need to get their permission to release them under a free license (we're a bit stuck with those where the author died less than 70 years ago, though, unless anyone's any good at necromancy...)
Either way, there are a lot of cases where it will be non-trivial to find out the copyright status, and it would be good if we could work with the BBC to establish them.
Mike
On 29 Jan 2009, at 13:44, AndrewRT wrote:
Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just copy them into Commons?
On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
Mike
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia
We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).
Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)
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2009/1/30 AndrewRT raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?
Probably.
In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much recent caselaw AIUI and if someone took it to court it could potentially go either way. I'd bet on the court ruling for them retaining the rights, though.
in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us.
regards
mark
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
2009/1/30 AndrewRT raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?
Probably.
In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much recent caselaw AIUI and if someone took it to court it could potentially go either way. I'd bet on the court ruling for them retaining the rights, though.
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As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us.
Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them copyright over their images for 15 years.
The best thing to do is to try to work with them... :)
Mike
On 30 Jan 2009, at 20:08, Mark (Markie) wrote:
in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us.
regards
mark
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/1/30 AndrewRT raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain,
they
still own the copyright to the photograph?
Probably.
In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much recent caselaw AIUI and if someone took it to court it could potentially go either way. I'd bet on the court ruling for them retaining the rights, though.
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us.
probably a reasonable point, but hard to point againts us i should think (grey area ish)
Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them copyright over their images for 15 years.
and another reasonable point
The best thing to do is to try to work with them... :)
yup :)
Mike
On 30 Jan 2009, at 20:08, Mark (Markie) wrote:
in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us.
regards
mark
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/1/30 AndrewRT raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain,
they
still own the copyright to the photograph?
Probably.
In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much recent caselaw AIUI and if someone took it to court it could potentially go either way. I'd bet on the court ruling for them retaining the rights, though.
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us.
Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them copyright over their images for 15 years.
The best thing to do is to try to work with them... :)
Indeed. The BBC have been doing good things recently in terms of free content -- it might well be worth asking them...
2009/1/30 Mark (Markie) newsmarkie@googlemail.com:
in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us.
The rules that apply to us, as WMF, hosting them, perhaps. But they're certainly not the rules that apply to us, the British citizens sitting in the UK, making copies and uploading them!
Yeah, the BBC has a bit more clout than us. I'd email them asking for explicit permission, if I were you.
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2009/1/30 AndrewRT raturvey@yahoo.co.uk:
My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph?
Probably.
In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much recent caselaw AIUI and if someone took it to court it could potentially go either way. I'd bet on the court ruling for them retaining the rights, though.
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