We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it? Do we need training, events etc? We have already started a FAQ page to help those who want to use it but is there more we can do?
Can we get some ideas going?
I think a small leaflet about it would be a great start. Something that museums etc can use to set up their own uses of it without having to involve WMUK at all. A "How-to" guide.
Perhaps we could also come up with templates etc for labels that small museums can use.
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On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it? Do we need training, events etc? We have already started a FAQ page to help those who want to use it but is there more we can do?
Can we get some ideas going?
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I could train a chimp to make QRpedia codes in ten minutes, so training sessions are probably overkill. This is the sort of learning that can be done easily by reading a leaflet or watching a video (there's a nice little project for somebody).
Richard's idea of a template for small museums sounds good - it would help ensure that nobody 'creative' decides that incorporating the Wikipedia logo would be a good idea (which is really the only caveat required for their use).
Cheers
On 13 December 2013 17:17, rexx rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
ensure that nobody 'creative' decides that incorporating the Wikipedia logo would be a good idea (which is really the only caveat required for their use).
The guidelines for the use of logos has recently changed; I haven't caught up with the new ones yet; but I hope they allow this. Anyone know.
Not allowed (yet) without explicit permission. Working on it ...
Frances
On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:54, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 13 December 2013 17:17, rexx rexx@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
ensure that nobody 'creative' decides that incorporating the Wikipedia logo would be a good idea (which is really the only caveat required for their use).
The guidelines for the use of logos has recently changed; I haven't caught up with the new ones yet; but I hope they allow this. Anyone know.
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On 13 December 2013 15:45, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I think a small leaflet about it would be a great start. Something that museums etc can use to set up their own uses of it without having to involve WMUK at all. A "How-to" guide.
We already have:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia/user_guide
which, of course, is available for reuse.
Perhaps we could also come up with templates etc for labels that small museums can use.
There are some outstanfding (both senses ;-) ) ideas for this, in the Google Code tickets which have been or will be, AIUI, migrated to Bugzilla
On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it?
The domain transfer as so far taken 25 days. Given the history here is might be wiser to wait until said 'i's and 't's are dealt with before moving forward.
Plan ahead Geni and have faith!
On 13 December 2013 20:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it?
The domain transfer as so far taken 25 days. Given the history here is might be wiser to wait until said 'i's and 't's are dealt with before moving forward.
-- geni
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Fae wrote some code that added a print qrpedia code choice that works on all the wikipedias. Museums et Al could cope with this.
Getting this on the welsh wikipedia...as an experiment would show others what could be done. Catalan would also like to do it.
A competition to design a code that was recognisable as a qrpedia code ... And not just a link to marketing BUMPH would be good. Note that freopedia are taking no notice and using wiki word art.
Cheers R On 14 Dec 2013 10:56, "Jon Davies" jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Plan ahead Geni and have faith!
On 13 December 2013 20:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it?
The domain transfer as so far taken 25 days. Given the history here is might be wiser to wait until said 'i's and 't's are dealt with before moving forward.
-- geni
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Just to clarify - freopedia are taking "no notice" of not using the "WikipediA" word art. As per recent discussions in this thread. (I did nt want to imply that they were taking "no notice" generally!)
They are using the word art on their Freopedia labels. Note Freopedia I think is now the largest Wikitown in that it has more QRpedia tags than say Joburg or Prague. It also has it own Wiki article recently and announced another project at Toodyay in WA.
(Prague uses the wiki logo whereas Joburgpedia doesnt mention that it links to Wikipedia!)
So shout out for Freopedia (and other wikitowns!) as they move across to WMUK support.
On 16 December 2013 10:57, Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Fae wrote some code that added a print qrpedia code choice that works on all the wikipedias. Museums et Al could cope with this.
Getting this on the welsh wikipedia...as an experiment would show others what could be done. Catalan would also like to do it.
A competition to design a code that was recognisable as a qrpedia code ... And not just a link to marketing BUMPH would be good. Note that freopedia are taking no notice and using wiki word art.
Cheers R On 14 Dec 2013 10:56, "Jon Davies" jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Plan ahead Geni and have faith!
On 13 December 2013 20:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it?
The domain transfer as so far taken 25 days. Given the history here is might be wiser to wait until said 'i's and 't's are dealt with before moving forward.
-- geni
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well we could go back to the start:
2.5 years ago (will need to check that things haven't changed in that time) in the Portsmouth natural history museum (or as the natives call it Cumberland House). When I was there I saw this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58992329@N03/5406060116/
If you look at the text in the right column (may need to view image at full size) you will find that it is not only dated (it's treating 1982 as recent) but is treating the [[Almas (cryptozoology)]] thing seriously. The museum doesn't really have any money so this isn't something that is likely to be fixed by them any time soon.
I think offering to replace it with wikipedia based text along the lines of say [[User:Geni/museum_sign]] would fall within 7-8 of:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Business_Plan#Mission_and_Objectives
I don't know how much doing such a replacement would cost but I would be surprised if it passed the limit of our micro grant program. Wikimedia-UK would need to be involved to cover use of the logo and the like.
==Advantages==
*Museum gets a better sign *New way to spread wikipedia content *Gives us the chance to produce a real world example of the type of signs we would like to see (QR code and the like) *Helps draw attention to gaps in Wikipedia (in this case it failed to mention how much Neanderthals weigh) *It may get us some good will with the Portsmouth museum service which since they hold one of the larger collections of ship paintings could be kinda handy *May get us some new editors who are interested in working on such signs. *It's a concrete real world activity that we can point to as an example of what we are doing.
==Disadvantages==
*Might be more expensive than expected *Images are an issue in this case (need to check copyright status of http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Homo_neanderthalensis_models ) *Scale we can do this on is limited both financially and finding people to write such signs
==Neutral==
*They might say no
On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it? Do we need training, events etc? We have already started a FAQ page to help those who want to use it but is there more we can do?
Can we get some ideas going?
-- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
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Thanks Geni and especially for taking the time to put the case so clearly. I wonder if anyone would be willing to take this further? Jon
On 29 December 2013 07:53, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
well we could go back to the start:
2.5 years ago (will need to check that things haven't changed in that time) in the Portsmouth natural history museum (or as the natives call it Cumberland House). When I was there I saw this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58992329@N03/5406060116/
If you look at the text in the right column (may need to view image at full size) you will find that it is not only dated (it's treating 1982 as recent) but is treating the [[Almas (cryptozoology)]] thing seriously. The museum doesn't really have any money so this isn't something that is likely to be fixed by them any time soon.
I think offering to replace it with wikipedia based text along the lines of say [[User:Geni/museum_sign]] would fall within 7-8 of:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Business_Plan#Mission_and_Objectives
I don't know how much doing such a replacement would cost but I would be surprised if it passed the limit of our micro grant program. Wikimedia-UK would need to be involved to cover use of the logo and the like.
==Advantages==
*Museum gets a better sign *New way to spread wikipedia content *Gives us the chance to produce a real world example of the type of signs we would like to see (QR code and the like) *Helps draw attention to gaps in Wikipedia (in this case it failed to mention how much Neanderthals weigh) *It may get us some good will with the Portsmouth museum service which since they hold one of the larger collections of ship paintings could be kinda handy *May get us some new editors who are interested in working on such signs. *It's a concrete real world activity that we can point to as an example of what we are doing.
==Disadvantages==
*Might be more expensive than expected *Images are an issue in this case (need to check copyright status of http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Homo_neanderthalensis_models ) *Scale we can do this on is limited both financially and finding people to write such signs
==Neutral==
*They might say no
On 13 December 2013 15:31, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
We are now dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's on QRpedia. The next question is how do we make sure the community benefits from it? Do we need training, events etc? We have already started a FAQ page to help those who want to use it but is there more we can do?
Can we get some ideas going?
-- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
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