Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on *Wednesday 30th January from** 4pm - 7pm* to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do *email katie@wikimedia.org.uk katie@wikimedia.org.uk* if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from
4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to attend
next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open
knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
No. 6741827
Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street,
London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
The disclaimer has been carefully worded and is correct: WMUK is legally independent from the Foundation. The two entities co-operate of course, and have contractual understandings, but they are nevertheless independent. Indeed, it is an essential requirement of our English and Scottish charitable status that we are and that we remain independent.
Michael
On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:16, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762 Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 15:26, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
The disclaimer has been carefully worded and is correct: WMUK is legally independent from the Foundation. The two entities co-operate of course, and have contractual understandings, but they are nevertheless independent. Indeed, it is an essential requirement of our English and Scottish charitable status that we are and that we remain independent.
Michael
Thanks Michael, that is what a trustee would explain to the Charity Commission, and it's how we pitched our world view when we applied for charity status, many years ago. However we are discussing an email footer, that the public and unpaid volunteers are supposed to make plain English sense of, not a narrowly scoped legal position statement for charity lawyers to scrutinize.
The murky realpolitik, is that the UK Chapter signed a Chapters Agreement with the Wikimedia Foundation. It is legally binding, and a firm requirement if the UK Chapter wishes to use any Wikimedia branding in any of its publications, such as the Wikipedia logo. Among other implications, the UK Chapter is not allowed to do any fundraising using the Wikimedia websites. The past few years have demonstrated very clearly that the WMF will never again allow any Chapter to do any fundraising this way, regardless of how well they do in any year, or ever improve in the future.[1]
WMF management can choose to remove WMUK's Chapter status, and consequently deny any future central funding at any time for any reason (regardless of existing FDC decisions), including the WMF suddenly deciding it does not like the idea of having Affiliates any more, or vaguely deciding that something about the UK Chapter does not sufficiently align with the WMF's organizational goals.
In the mind of any casual reader of WMUK's email footer, the claim that the UK Chapter is "independent", when the Foundation has full control of these core aspects of the operation of the Chapter is not a plain English use of the word "independent". Good UK Charity practice is to use common sense plain English and avoid misleading its members with legal jargon. As there is no actual real benefit to this email footer, the Chapter can drop these without any risk to its operations. Anyway, you are probably are all too keenly away that boilerplate disclaimers in public emails from charities offer no protection in the case of a legal action, so these extra sentences have no value apart from a faux sense of comfort to the writer. Including them in every email is irrelevant to addressing, say, the ECommerce Regulations, which do not apply to these types of public discussion.[2]
Links 1. Probably because WMF senior management really like having full control of the money in their own U.S. bank account. Despite the tax and exchange costs of taking a UK donation, holding the cash in the USA, then paying it back to an affiliate in the UK via an FDC funding decision. The end to end avoidable costs and administrative burden of doing fundraising this roundabout way have not been published by the WMF in recent years, as they have avoided publishing almost any appropriately detailed statements of expenses. 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Commerce_Regulations_2002
Thanks, Fae
On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:16, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
I think we'll need to agree to disagree, Fae. I believe the text is not only legally accurate, but concisely explains the practical point that confuses many: WMUK is not the entity that operates the Wikipedia website.
Michael
Fæ mailto:faewik@gmail.com 23 January 2019 at 11:34 am On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 15:26, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
The disclaimer has been carefully worded and is correct: WMUK is legally independent from the Foundation. The two entities co-operate of course, and have contractual understandings, but they are nevertheless independent. Indeed, it is an essential requirement of our English and Scottish charitable status that we are and that we remain independent.
Michael
Thanks Michael, that is what a trustee would explain to the Charity Commission, and it's how we pitched our world view when we applied for charity status, many years ago. However we are discussing an email footer, that the public and unpaid volunteers are supposed to make plain English sense of, not a narrowly scoped legal position statement for charity lawyers to scrutinize.
The murky realpolitik, is that the UK Chapter signed a Chapters Agreement with the Wikimedia Foundation. It is legally binding, and a firm requirement if the UK Chapter wishes to use any Wikimedia branding in any of its publications, such as the Wikipedia logo. Among other implications, the UK Chapter is not allowed to do any fundraising using the Wikimedia websites. The past few years have demonstrated very clearly that the WMF will never again allow any Chapter to do any fundraising this way, regardless of how well they do in any year, or ever improve in the future.[1]
WMF management can choose to remove WMUK's Chapter status, and consequently deny any future central funding at any time for any reason (regardless of existing FDC decisions), including the WMF suddenly deciding it does not like the idea of having Affiliates any more, or vaguely deciding that something about the UK Chapter does not sufficiently align with the WMF's organizational goals.
In the mind of any casual reader of WMUK's email footer, the claim that the UK Chapter is "independent", when the Foundation has full control of these core aspects of the operation of the Chapter is not a plain English use of the word "independent". Good UK Charity practice is to use common sense plain English and avoid misleading its members with legal jargon. As there is no actual real benefit to this email footer, the Chapter can drop these without any risk to its operations. Anyway, you are probably are all too keenly away that boilerplate disclaimers in public emails from charities offer no protection in the case of a legal action, so these extra sentences have no value apart from a faux sense of comfort to the writer. Including them in every email is irrelevant to addressing, say, the ECommerce Regulations, which do not apply to these types of public discussion.[2]
Links
- Probably because WMF senior management really like having full
control of the money in their own U.S. bank account. Despite the tax and exchange costs of taking a UK donation, holding the cash in the USA, then paying it back to an affiliate in the UK via an FDC funding decision. The end to end avoidable costs and administrative burden of doing fundraising this roundabout way have not been published by the WMF in recent years, as they have avoided publishing almost any appropriately detailed statements of expenses. 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Commerce_Regulations_2002
Thanks, Fae
On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:16, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Michael Maggs mailto:michael@maggs.name 22 January 2019 at 3:26 pm The disclaimer has been carefully worded and is correct: WMUK is legally independent from the Foundation. The two entities co-operate of course, and have contractual understandings, but they are nevertheless independent. Indeed, it is an essential requirement of our English and Scottish charitable status that we are and that we remain independent.
Michael
On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:16, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk mailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ <faewik@gmail.com mailto:faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Lucy, For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation. In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets. P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not. Thanks, Fae On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk <mailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk>> wrote: > > Dear all > > This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance. > > Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk <mailto:katie@wikimedia.org.uk> if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week. > > Thanks and best > Lucy > > > > > -- > Lucy Crompton-Reid > Chief Executive > Wikimedia UK > +44 (0) 203 372 0762 > > Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk > > Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 > Registered Charity No.1144513 > Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ > > The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. -- faewik@gmail.com <mailto:faewik@gmail.com> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk Lucy Crompton-Reid mailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk 22 January 2019 at 3:16 pm Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk Fæ mailto:faewik@gmail.com 22 January 2019 at 1:31 pm Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid
Lucy Crompton-Reid mailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk 21 January 2019 at 12:50 pm Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on *Wednesday 30th January from** 4pm - 7pm* to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do *email katie@wikimedia.org.uk mailto:katie@wikimedia.org.uk* if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
I don't think wordsmithing a boilerplate email footer to solve a hypothetical problem is really a worthwhile use of staff and trustee time.
Dan
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 11:35, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 15:26, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
The disclaimer has been carefully worded and is correct: WMUK is
legally independent from the Foundation. The two entities co-operate of course, and have contractual understandings, but they are nevertheless independent. Indeed, it is an essential requirement of our English and Scottish charitable status that we are and that we remain independent.
Michael
Thanks Michael, that is what a trustee would explain to the Charity Commission, and it's how we pitched our world view when we applied for charity status, many years ago. However we are discussing an email footer, that the public and unpaid volunteers are supposed to make plain English sense of, not a narrowly scoped legal position statement for charity lawyers to scrutinize.
The murky realpolitik, is that the UK Chapter signed a Chapters Agreement with the Wikimedia Foundation. It is legally binding, and a firm requirement if the UK Chapter wishes to use any Wikimedia branding in any of its publications, such as the Wikipedia logo. Among other implications, the UK Chapter is not allowed to do any fundraising using the Wikimedia websites. The past few years have demonstrated very clearly that the WMF will never again allow any Chapter to do any fundraising this way, regardless of how well they do in any year, or ever improve in the future.[1]
WMF management can choose to remove WMUK's Chapter status, and consequently deny any future central funding at any time for any reason (regardless of existing FDC decisions), including the WMF suddenly deciding it does not like the idea of having Affiliates any more, or vaguely deciding that something about the UK Chapter does not sufficiently align with the WMF's organizational goals.
In the mind of any casual reader of WMUK's email footer, the claim that the UK Chapter is "independent", when the Foundation has full control of these core aspects of the operation of the Chapter is not a plain English use of the word "independent". Good UK Charity practice is to use common sense plain English and avoid misleading its members with legal jargon. As there is no actual real benefit to this email footer, the Chapter can drop these without any risk to its operations. Anyway, you are probably are all too keenly away that boilerplate disclaimers in public emails from charities offer no protection in the case of a legal action, so these extra sentences have no value apart from a faux sense of comfort to the writer. Including them in every email is irrelevant to addressing, say, the ECommerce Regulations, which do not apply to these types of public discussion.[2]
Links
- Probably because WMF senior management really like having full
control of the money in their own U.S. bank account. Despite the tax and exchange costs of taking a UK donation, holding the cash in the USA, then paying it back to an affiliate in the UK via an FDC funding decision. The end to end avoidable costs and administrative burden of doing fundraising this roundabout way have not been published by the WMF in recent years, as they have avoided publishing almost any appropriately detailed statements of expenses. 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Commerce_Regulations_2002
Thanks, Fae
On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:16, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I
inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January
from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to attend
next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open
knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales,
Registered No. 6741827
Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street,
London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open
knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered
No. 6741827
Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street,
London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
I hesitate to contribute to this conversation at all, but in the light of section 6.1 of the Chapter Agreement between Wikimedia UK and the WMF, this standard email signature is probably quite sensible. It reads:
"The Chapter shall seek to ensure in all dealings that it does not appear to speak for or act for the Foundation except insofar as may be agreed upon with the Foundation. "
https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/images/b/bd/Wiki_UK_Limited_chapter_agreement.pdf
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:38 PM Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think wordsmithing a boilerplate email footer to solve a hypothetical problem is really a worthwhile use of staff and trustee time.
Dan
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 11:35, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 15:26, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
The disclaimer has been carefully worded and is correct: WMUK is
legally independent from the Foundation. The two entities co-operate of course, and have contractual understandings, but they are nevertheless independent. Indeed, it is an essential requirement of our English and Scottish charitable status that we are and that we remain independent.
Michael
Thanks Michael, that is what a trustee would explain to the Charity Commission, and it's how we pitched our world view when we applied for charity status, many years ago. However we are discussing an email footer, that the public and unpaid volunteers are supposed to make plain English sense of, not a narrowly scoped legal position statement for charity lawyers to scrutinize.
The murky realpolitik, is that the UK Chapter signed a Chapters Agreement with the Wikimedia Foundation. It is legally binding, and a firm requirement if the UK Chapter wishes to use any Wikimedia branding in any of its publications, such as the Wikipedia logo. Among other implications, the UK Chapter is not allowed to do any fundraising using the Wikimedia websites. The past few years have demonstrated very clearly that the WMF will never again allow any Chapter to do any fundraising this way, regardless of how well they do in any year, or ever improve in the future.[1]
WMF management can choose to remove WMUK's Chapter status, and consequently deny any future central funding at any time for any reason (regardless of existing FDC decisions), including the WMF suddenly deciding it does not like the idea of having Affiliates any more, or vaguely deciding that something about the UK Chapter does not sufficiently align with the WMF's organizational goals.
In the mind of any casual reader of WMUK's email footer, the claim that the UK Chapter is "independent", when the Foundation has full control of these core aspects of the operation of the Chapter is not a plain English use of the word "independent". Good UK Charity practice is to use common sense plain English and avoid misleading its members with legal jargon. As there is no actual real benefit to this email footer, the Chapter can drop these without any risk to its operations. Anyway, you are probably are all too keenly away that boilerplate disclaimers in public emails from charities offer no protection in the case of a legal action, so these extra sentences have no value apart from a faux sense of comfort to the writer. Including them in every email is irrelevant to addressing, say, the ECommerce Regulations, which do not apply to these types of public discussion.[2]
Links
- Probably because WMF senior management really like having full
control of the money in their own U.S. bank account. Despite the tax and exchange costs of taking a UK donation, holding the cash in the USA, then paying it back to an affiliate in the UK via an FDC funding decision. The end to end avoidable costs and administrative burden of doing fundraising this roundabout way have not been published by the WMF in recent years, as they have avoided publishing almost any appropriately detailed statements of expenses. 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Commerce_Regulations_2002
Thanks, Fae
On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:16, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Fae and all
Yes indeed, happy to publish the draft on meta.
I see what you mean about the disclaimer...pretty sure it's just what I
inherited but will certainly review.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Lucy,
For as long as the Chapter has created strategic plans, these have been published and developed on-wiki, with all the normal benefits of being open for consultation.
In the light of issues with the local chapter wiki, and the fact that funding related reports are already published on the (WMF operated) meta wiki, could the draft be published on meta this time? Doing this will make it much easier for non-London and even non-UK resident Wikimedians to provide early feedback. For example, all those active volunteers that help other WMF Associations with reviewing strategies and budgets.
P.S. Could you revisit the disclaimer on the UK Chapter email footer? This states "The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents", which most readers would presume means that WMUK is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation, though the Chapters Agreement means that it legally, and literally, is not.
Thanks, Fae
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January
from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do email katie@wikimedia.org.uk if you are planning to
attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open
knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales,
Registered No. 6741827
Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street,
London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open
knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk
Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales,
Registered No. 6741827
Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street,
London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
So is this actualy happening? Its not listed at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page
and my email to katie@wikimedia.org.uk didn't get a responce
Hi Geni
Yes this is happening. Ah that email is incorrect, my email is katie.crampton@wikimedia.org.uk
Shall I put you down as attending?
Kind regards
Katie
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 13:22, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from
4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
So is this actualy happening? Its not listed at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page
and my email to katie@wikimedia.org.uk didn't get a responce
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Hi Geni, I've now listed it on the Events list.
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page
John Lubbock
Communications Coordinator
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 203 372 0767
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ.
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter of the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia UK? Donate here https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk.
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 13:22, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January from
4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
So is this actualy happening? Its not listed at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page
and my email to katie@wikimedia.org.uk didn't get a responce
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Apologies Geni - Katie's email address is katie.crampton@wikimedia.org.uk.
The meeting is going ahead at 4pm tomorrow, and I've emailed all attendees that I know of with an agenda and relevant links. If you believe that you've signed up, or you're planning to come, please let me know asap and I'll forward you the email.
Following the meeting I'll revisit and revise the draft strategy for the next three years and put on wiki for others to input into remotely.
Thanks and best Lucy
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 14:43, John Lubbock john.lubbock@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Geni, I've now listed it on the Events list.
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page
John Lubbock
Communications Coordinator
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 203 372 0767
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ.
Wikimedia UK is the national chapter of the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia UK? Donate here https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk.
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 13:22, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on Wednesday 30th January
from 4pm - 7pm to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
So is this actualy happening? Its not listed at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page
and my email to katie@wikimedia.org.uk didn't get a responce
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
as discussed
*Davina Johnson*
*Director of Finance & Operations*
*Wikimedia UK0203 372 0763*
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: Europoint Centre, 5-11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ.
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:50, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear all
This is just a reminder about the meeting on *Wednesday 30th January from** 4pm
- 7pm* to discuss and develop Wikimedia UK's new strategic plan, for the
period February 2019 - January 2022. This is a key opportunity for volunteers and other stakeholders to input into the development of the charity's future direction, and so we'd love to see as many of you there as possible. We can cover travel costs, subject to prior approval, as we don't want cost to be a barrier to anyone's attendance.
Please do *email katie@wikimedia.org.uk katie@wikimedia.org.uk* if you are planning to attend next week, and let her know if you need Wikimedia UK to cover your travel costs. We need to know who's coming so that we can ensure we have a suitably sized space (and pizza), and also so that we can let attendees know of any changes to the schedule or venue. I will be sharing an agenda for the meeting and the draft strategic framework later in the week.
Thanks and best Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0762
*Wikimedia UK* is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement, and a registered charity. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827 Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org