http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm
"The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as sources of information and forms of communication."
It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for WMUK to go into schools...
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for WMUK to go into schools...
Seconded! As an employee in the education sector - I know that Wiki* can and will be a very valuable tool when used correctly in a school environment. I am willing to be as much of a driving force behind this proposal as I can be!
2009/3/25 Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for WMUK to go into schools...
Seconded! As an employee in the education sector - I know that Wiki* can and will be a very valuable tool when used correctly in a school environment. I am willing to be as much of a driving force behind this proposal as I can be!
Fantastic - go write about it here:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Proposals#Schools_project
I said I would write something about it, and haven't gotten around to it yet. I will get around to it eventually, but someone else interested in helping out would be great!
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 16:17, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm
"The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as sources of information and forms of communication."
It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for WMUK to go into schools...
The thing about Twitter really makes me laugh. Maybe the idea of microblogging and status updates on the likes of Facebook and Bebo makes sense. But I'm not convinced Twitter is sufficiently mainstream - or established as something more than a fad - to deserve a full treatment.
That is however off-topic. It would be fantastic to teach people to use Wikipedia properly at a young age. Then we wouldn't have so much misunderstanding when it comes to using it for coursework later on, at GCSE level. So this sounds good.
Sean
2009/3/25 Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com:
The thing about Twitter really makes me laugh. Maybe the idea of microblogging and status updates on the likes of Facebook and Bebo makes sense. But I'm not convinced Twitter is sufficiently mainstream
- or established as something more than a fad - to deserve a full
treatment.
I don't "tweet" myself, but from what I've read, Twitter is mainstream now. It may be a mainstream fad, only time will determine that.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 22:45, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/25 Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com:
The thing about Twitter really makes me laugh. Maybe the idea of microblogging and status updates on the likes of Facebook and Bebo makes sense. But I'm not convinced Twitter is sufficiently mainstream
- or established as something more than a fad - to deserve a full
treatment.
I don't "tweet" myself, but from what I've read, Twitter is mainstream now. It may be a mainstream fad, only time will determine that.
This is precisely my point. The press are obsessed with it and it is increasingly used for commercial purposes. But it will be interesting to see how long it lasts.
Maybe the draft review mentioned it because Number Ten has a Twitter feed and so they wanted to curry favour!
Sean
2009/3/25 Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com:
This is precisely my point. The press are obsessed with it and it is increasingly used for commercial purposes. But it will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Maybe the draft review mentioned it because Number Ten has a Twitter feed and so they wanted to curry favour!
I presume earlier versions proposed teaching the kids about AltaVista and GeoCities and the dangers of ARPANET email kiddy fiddlers.
- d.
At school today I was busy admiring some of the work on the wall. The kids (year 2) had been working on important buildings, and one particular one on Buckingham Palace caught my eye. It went something like "*Buckingham Palace*is the official London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London residence of the British monarch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_monarch.[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckingham_Palace#cite_note-0Located in the City of Westminster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Westminster, the palace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace is a setting for state occasions and royal hospitality, and a major tourist attraction." (With the bolded text, and blue linked words, and the little 1 in superscript). Is blatant plagiarism really the sort of thing that should be displayed as "best" work on a primary classroom wall? Wikipedia is a great resource I think - as long as you know how to use it properly. If Wikipedia is to become a part of primary school life, those using it ought to be trained to use it properly.
2009/3/26 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
At school today I was busy admiring some of the work on the wall. The kids (year 2) had been working on important buildings, and one particular one on Buckingham Palace caught my eye. It went something like "Buckingham Palace is the official London residence of the British monarch.[1] Located in the City of Westminster, the palace is a setting for state occasions and royal hospitality, and a major tourist attraction." (With the bolded text, and blue linked words, and the little 1 in superscript). Is blatant plagiarism really the sort of thing that should be displayed as "best" work on a primary classroom wall? Wikipedia is a great resource I think - as long as you know how to use it properly. If Wikipedia is to become a part of primary school life, those using it ought to be trained to use it properly.
While I wouldn't expect teachers to recognise the Wikipedia house style as easily as we can, they should have been made suspicious by the formatting! However, are you sure it was displayed as "best work"? In primary school they generally put everyone's work on display.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2009/3/26 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
At school today I was busy admiring some of the work on the wall. The
kids
(year 2) had been working on important buildings, and one particular one
on
Buckingham Palace caught my eye. It went something like "Buckingham
Palace
is the official London residence of the British monarch.[1] Located in
the
City of Westminster, the palace is a setting for state occasions and
royal
hospitality, and a major tourist attraction." (With the bolded text, and blue linked words, and the little 1 in superscript). Is blatant
plagiarism
really the sort of thing that should be displayed as "best" work on a primary classroom wall? Wikipedia is a great resource I think - as long
as
you know how to use it properly. If Wikipedia is to become a part of
primary
school life, those using it ought to be trained to use it properly.
While I wouldn't expect teachers to recognise the Wikipedia house style as easily as we can, they should have been made suspicious by the formatting! However, are you sure it was displayed as "best work"? In primary school they generally put everyone's work on display.
Hopefully not!
At 23:53 +0000 25/3/09, David Gerard wrote:
2009/3/25 Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com:
This is precisely my point. The press are obsessed with it and it is increasingly used for commercial purposes. But it will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Maybe the draft review mentioned it because Number Ten has a Twitter feed and so they wanted to curry favour!
I presume earlier versions proposed teaching the kids about AltaVista and GeoCities and the dangers of ARPANET email kiddy fiddlers.
- d.
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Gordo
2009/3/25 Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com:
That is however off-topic. It would be fantastic to teach people to use Wikipedia properly at a young age. Then we wouldn't have so much misunderstanding when it comes to using it for coursework later on, at GCSE level. So this sounds good.
I look forward to twenty thousand word featured articles on minor characters from "Charlie & Lola." I'm sure there's a tremendous amount the kids can write about Sizzles the dog or Lotte's fur coat.
- d.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 23:51, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/25 Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com:
That is however off-topic. It would be fantastic to teach people to use Wikipedia properly at a young age. Then we wouldn't have so much misunderstanding when it comes to using it for coursework later on, at GCSE level. So this sounds good.
I look forward to twenty thousand word featured articles on minor characters from "Charlie & Lola." I'm sure there's a tremendous amount the kids can write about Sizzles the dog or Lotte's fur coat.
I'm not talking about editing, as already pointed out - I'm referring to using Wikipedia properly for research. Amusing illustration though :)
At 16:17 +0000 25/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm
"The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as sources of information and forms of communication."
It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for WMUK to go into schools...
As I recall, "projects in schools" was always part of Wikimedia UK (1.0 and 2.0) thinking....
The announcement is rather odd. Bit like saying "children should watch more television" in the 1950s and 1960s. Twitter, WIkimedia, Bebo, Facebook, MySpace are (social) media: is the suggestion that they start media studies in school from the first day? Or is the suggestion that 5 year olds become Wikipedia editors?
Gordo
2009/3/25 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm "The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as sources of information and forms of communication." It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for WMUK to go into schools...
Now on the Slashdot firehose: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3905743 Hey, I voted for it ...
- d.
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