I have inherited a bunch of 8mm home movies dating from 1958 to 1980. Most are of family holidays visiting various landmarks in Europe.
There are about 10 reels. Each reel is 400ft which is about 90 minutes (I think).
I want to get these digitised and post them under a CC-BY-SA license then cut up into short sections related to particular wikipedia articles and added to Commons. There is probably more than half of the movies which can be used this way (we visited a lot of cool places)
I have been quoted £1000 to digitise these. Anyone know of other options for digitising these?
Has anyone got suggestions for the best way to do this?
Joe
Hi Joe,
I don't have any clue but will ask on Twitter and if I learn anything will pass it on!
Best wishes,
Stevie
On 7 September 2015 at 03:12, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
I have inherited a bunch of 8mm home movies dating from 1958 to 1980. Most are of family holidays visiting various landmarks in Europe.
There are about 10 reels. Each reel is 400ft which is about 90 minutes (I think).
I want to get these digitised and post them under a CC-BY-SA license then cut up into short sections related to particular wikipedia articles and added to Commons. There is probably more than half of the movies which can be used this way (we visited a lot of cool places)
I have been quoted £1000 to digitise these. Anyone know of other options for digitising these?
Has anyone got suggestions for the best way to do this?
Joe
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On 08/09/15 09:02, Robin Owain wrote:
The National Library of Wales offers this as a free service, scanned directly rather than via projector. They also give you a free copy on disc. They will also allow CC0 /BYSA. But you need to live in Wales; if not try the BL.
That's why I suggested http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/ might be starting point to find an equivalent in England. Given the projects preserving material of this sort I'm sure there must be something?
I think we might do well to ask our volunteer who specialises in old films, I have BCCed him into this message so he can join in if he wants to!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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On 8 September 2015 at 10:08, Lester Caine lester@lsces.co.uk wrote:
On 08/09/15 09:02, Robin Owain wrote:
The National Library of Wales offers this as a free service, scanned directly rather than via projector. They also give you a free copy on disc. They will also allow CC0 /BYSA. But you need to live in Wales; if not try the BL.
That's why I suggested http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/ might be starting point to find an equivalent in England. Given the projects preserving material of this sort I'm sure there must be something?
-- Lester Caine - G8HFL
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
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He's emailed back and said:
"The trouble with this bit of kit (well don't get me started) is that it is really not up to a professional job and restricted to Super 8.
If the material is at all historic the regional film organisations e.g.
*Tel:* 01752 202650
*Web:* www.swfta.org.uk
*Facebook:* South West Film & Television Archive http://www.facebook.com/SouthWestFilmTelevisionArchive
*Twitter*: SWFTA1 https://twitter.com/SWFTA1
SWftaTUBE: SWftaTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/SWftaTUBE
...will copy over using a professional process (liquid gate) that takes account of old splices, cleans the dust off etc."
He also says that there is the germ of an idea for WMUK here though - perhaps having a contract with a decent provider who would digitise them for us. It's something we will have to look at over the next few months to see if it can fit in our future plans!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 8 September 2015 at 13:26, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
I think we might do well to ask our volunteer who specialises in old films, I have BCCed him into this message so he can join in if he wants to!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 8 September 2015 at 10:08, Lester Caine lester@lsces.co.uk wrote:
On 08/09/15 09:02, Robin Owain wrote:
The National Library of Wales offers this as a free service, scanned directly rather than via projector. They also give you a free copy on disc. They will also allow CC0 /BYSA. But you need to live in Wales; if not try the BL.
That's why I suggested http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/ might be starting point to find an equivalent in England. Given the projects preserving material of this sort I'm sure there must be something?
-- Lester Caine - G8HFL
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
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Thanks Jon! Really good to hear from you. All is not OK in wikiland but I think you guessed that! I will message you on Facebook.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 8 September 2015 at 13:56, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
He's emailed back and said:
"The trouble with this bit of kit (well don't get me started) is that it is really not up to a professional job and restricted to Super 8.
If the material is at all historic the regional film organisations e.g.
*Tel:* 01752 202650
*Web:* www.swfta.org.uk
*Facebook:* South West Film & Television Archive http://www.facebook.com/SouthWestFilmTelevisionArchive
*Twitter*: SWFTA1 https://twitter.com/SWFTA1
SWftaTUBE: SWftaTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/SWftaTUBE
...will copy over using a professional process (liquid gate) that takes account of old splices, cleans the dust off etc."
He also says that there is the germ of an idea for WMUK here though - perhaps having a contract with a decent provider who would digitise them for us. It's something we will have to look at over the next few months to see if it can fit in our future plans!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 8 September 2015 at 13:26, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
I think we might do well to ask our volunteer who specialises in old films, I have BCCed him into this message so he can join in if he wants to!
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 8 September 2015 at 10:08, Lester Caine lester@lsces.co.uk wrote:
On 08/09/15 09:02, Robin Owain wrote:
The National Library of Wales offers this as a free service, scanned directly rather than via projector. They also give you a free copy on disc. They will also allow CC0 /BYSA. But you need to live in Wales; if not try the BL.
That's why I suggested http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/ might be starting point to find an equivalent in England. Given the projects preserving material of this sort I'm sure there must be something?
-- Lester Caine - G8HFL
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
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On 08/09/15 13:56, Richard Symonds wrote:
He also says that there is the germ of an idea for WMUK here though - perhaps having a contract with a decent provider who would digitise them for us. It's something we will have to look at over the next few months to see if it can fit in our future plans!
Sounds good. A service rather than a piece of hardware.
The next question is "... is your 8 mm home movies film collection historic?". I wondered if that question could compared to "... is your contribution to Mass Observation historic?".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-Observation
(Should WMUK contact the University of Sussex to see if they have moving images? And how they process film?).
If the material is at all historic the regional film organisations
South West Film & Television Archive
...will copy over using a professional process (liquid gate) that takes account of old splices, cleans the dust off etc."
This reminded of Huntley Film Archives on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/HuntleyFilmArchives
Regards,
Gordo
Slight correction:
SWftaTUBE: SWftaTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/SWftaTUBE
https://www.youtube.com/user/SWFTATube1
Gordo
Thanks for all these suggestions. I'll follow up on these and report back.
Joe
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Slight correction:
SWftaTUBE: SWftaTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/SWftaTUBE
https://www.youtube.com/user/SWFTATube1
Gordo
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On 07/09/15 03:12, Joe Filceolaire wrote:
I have been quoted £1000 to digitise these. Anyone know of other options for digitising these?
Has anyone got suggestions for the best way to do this?
http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk may be worth a call ... They may know people who would help for free
But a 400ft film should be nearer £30 than £100 for conversion to DVD. Unfortunately the people who I used to knew have now passed away but I'm sure there are still a few around doing it non-commercially.
On 07/09/15 03:12, Joe Filceolaire wrote:
I have inherited a bunch of 8mm home movies dating from 1958 to 1980. Most are of family holidays visiting various landmarks in Europe.
Without sound, we assume?
I have used Stanley Productions in Soho in the past for conversion.
http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/scategory-18.htm
http://www.transferhouse.co.uk/
Gordo
Alternatively buy a scanner?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Reflecta-Super-8-film-scanner/dp/B00I48MAR6/
:-)
Gordo
On 07/09/15 09:55, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 07/09/15 03:12, Joe Filceolaire wrote:
I have inherited a bunch of 8mm home movies dating from 1958 to 1980. Most are of family holidays visiting various landmarks in Europe.
Without sound, we assume?
I have used Stanley Productions in Soho in the past for conversion.
http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/scategory-18.htm
http://www.transferhouse.co.uk/
Gordo
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On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Alternatively buy a scanner?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Reflecta-Super-8-film-scanner/dp/B00I48MAR6/
:-)
Free UK delivery. Bargain!
Harry
Hi all,
Super 8mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_8_film was launched in 1965 (if you believe Wikipedia)
It should be possible to get a machine which can cope with both 8mm and super 8mm, (they certainly made projectors which could.
This is the sort of peice of kit that WMUK should invest in.
all the best
Fabian aka Leutha
On 07 September 2015 at 16:53 Harry Burt harryaburt@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.com mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com > wrote:
Alternatively buy a scanner?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Reflecta-Super-8-film-scanner/dp/B00I48MAR6/
:-)
Free UK delivery. Bargain!
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