Dear all
I wanted to share with you the Global Majority Wikimedia Tech Priorities https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com/?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZXRhLndpa2ltZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9HbG9iYWxfTWFqb3JpdHlfV2lraW1lZGlhX1RlY2hub2xvZ3lfUHJpb3JpdGllcw==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=ZG90c3doY2w3ZjR3Z3NOVjNCVCt3MjJoODJ5UDBNQXFjT3Jnd1l2M200WT0=&h=92b7eef847134215a86cf0e841c0e7bb&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVaUBFxCquXjRnFb8zQpNQ5NOpp_fJaqmh9-6cFx-De5fg, which have been created as a way of investigating Wikimedia's technological infrastructure and its associated challenges through the perspectives of Global South communities. The project was facilitated by Wiki Movimento Brasil and CIS-A2K (India), with the participation of nine other Global Majority affiliates with tech capacity; and I am circulating this on their behalf.
The communities involved are hoping to receive support from individual contributors and Wikimedia organisations. They will be *gathering signatures until Thursday 2nd May*, after which they are planning to launch the Priorities at the upcoming Wikimedia Hackathon in Estonia. If this is something you can support, details of how to sign are at the bottom of the page on Meta.
Best wishes Lucy
A little concerned at the inclusion of:
“ *Take immediate action to mitigate IP blockage effects*by implementing robust circumvention tools “
If this is working around governments blocking Wikipedia then I am obviously all for it. If it refers to circumventing on-wiki IP blocks placed by administrators then that is a different matter. We shouldn’t have affiliates actively encouraging block evasion…
Richard
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 16:28, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear all
I wanted to share with you the Global Majority Wikimedia Tech Priorities https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com/?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZXRhLndpa2ltZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9HbG9iYWxfTWFqb3JpdHlfV2lraW1lZGlhX1RlY2hub2xvZ3lfUHJpb3JpdGllcw==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=ZG90c3doY2w3ZjR3Z3NOVjNCVCt3MjJoODJ5UDBNQXFjT3Jnd1l2M200WT0=&h=92b7eef847134215a86cf0e841c0e7bb&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVaUBFxCquXjRnFb8zQpNQ5NOpp_fJaqmh9-6cFx-De5fg, which have been created as a way of investigating Wikimedia's technological infrastructure and its associated challenges through the perspectives of Global South communities. The project was facilitated by Wiki Movimento Brasil and CIS-A2K (India), with the participation of nine other Global Majority affiliates with tech capacity; and I am circulating this on their behalf.
The communities involved are hoping to receive support from individual contributors and Wikimedia organisations. They will be *gathering signatures until Thursday 2nd May*, after which they are planning to launch the Priorities at the upcoming Wikimedia Hackathon in Estonia. If this is something you can support, details of how to sign are at the bottom of the page on Meta.
Best wishes Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
I'm sure it's the former. I could clarify that though?
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 21:24, Richard Jenkins richardjenkins28@gmail.com wrote:
A little concerned at the inclusion of:
“ *Take immediate action to mitigate IP blockage effects* by implementing robust circumvention tools “
If this is working around governments blocking Wikipedia then I am obviously all for it. If it refers to circumventing on-wiki IP blocks placed by administrators then that is a different matter. We shouldn’t have affiliates actively encouraging block evasion…
Richard
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 16:28, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear all
I wanted to share with you the Global Majority Wikimedia Tech Priorities https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com/?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZXRhLndpa2ltZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9HbG9iYWxfTWFqb3JpdHlfV2lraW1lZGlhX1RlY2hub2xvZ3lfUHJpb3JpdGllcw==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=ZG90c3doY2w3ZjR3Z3NOVjNCVCt3MjJoODJ5UDBNQXFjT3Jnd1l2M200WT0=&h=92b7eef847134215a86cf0e841c0e7bb&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVaUBFxCquXjRnFb8zQpNQ5NOpp_fJaqmh9-6cFx-De5fg, which have been created as a way of investigating Wikimedia's technological infrastructure and its associated challenges through the perspectives of Global South communities. The project was facilitated by Wiki Movimento Brasil and CIS-A2K (India), with the participation of nine other Global Majority affiliates with tech capacity; and I am circulating this on their behalf.
The communities involved are hoping to receive support from individual contributors and Wikimedia organisations. They will be *gathering signatures until Thursday 2nd May*, after which they are planning to launch the Priorities at the upcoming Wikimedia Hackathon in Estonia. If this is something you can support, details of how to sign are at the bottom of the page on Meta.
Best wishes Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy53aWtpbWVkaWEub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vd2lraW1lZGlhdWstbA==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=L0MvT2diZ2IxTU15ZU4yMkxoRjZ1cEZvSW5hdW52NnNKb2ZLRVZ4WHBjdz0=&h=fcbdcd2502b64649b755e841d1f77df9&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVZaFAaacHBa1XXlgRscq_crzoGlUi68xQtfbYwMm-_cdbNaheb163x6NaWPPdLeY2s WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wikimedia.org.uk&u=aHR0cHM6Ly93aWtpbWVkaWEub3JnLnVr&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=ZDVWdmhjK1FFSmNIZ3o1VGJSMk11ZUE1QVBEazdHM1hrdUN1OTI0NlNXST0=&h=fcbdcd2502b64649b755e841d1f77df9&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVZaFAaacHBa1XXlgRscq_crzoGlUi68xQtfbYwMm-_cdbNaheb163x6NaWPPdLeY2s
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Likely referring to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_DNS and similar.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 21:42, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
I'm sure it's the former. I could clarify that though?
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 21:24, Richard Jenkins richardjenkins28@gmail.com wrote:
A little concerned at the inclusion of:
“ *Take immediate action to mitigate IP blockage effects* by implementing robust circumvention tools “
If this is working around governments blocking Wikipedia then I am obviously all for it. If it refers to circumventing on-wiki IP blocks placed by administrators then that is a different matter. We shouldn’t have affiliates actively encouraging block evasion…
Richard
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 16:28, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear all
I wanted to share with you the Global Majority Wikimedia Tech Priorities https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com/?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZXRhLndpa2ltZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9HbG9iYWxfTWFqb3JpdHlfV2lraW1lZGlhX1RlY2hub2xvZ3lfUHJpb3JpdGllcw==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=ZG90c3doY2w3ZjR3Z3NOVjNCVCt3MjJoODJ5UDBNQXFjT3Jnd1l2M200WT0=&h=92b7eef847134215a86cf0e841c0e7bb&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVaUBFxCquXjRnFb8zQpNQ5NOpp_fJaqmh9-6cFx-De5fg, which have been created as a way of investigating Wikimedia's technological infrastructure and its associated challenges through the perspectives of Global South communities. The project was facilitated by Wiki Movimento Brasil and CIS-A2K (India), with the participation of nine other Global Majority affiliates with tech capacity; and I am circulating this on their behalf.
The communities involved are hoping to receive support from individual contributors and Wikimedia organisations. They will be *gathering signatures until Thursday 2nd May*, after which they are planning to launch the Priorities at the upcoming Wikimedia Hackathon in Estonia. If this is something you can support, details of how to sign are at the bottom of the page on Meta.
Best wishes Lucy
-- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy53aWtpbWVkaWEub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vd2lraW1lZGlhdWstbA==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=L0MvT2diZ2IxTU15ZU4yMkxoRjZ1cEZvSW5hdW52NnNKb2ZLRVZ4WHBjdz0=&h=fcbdcd2502b64649b755e841d1f77df9&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVZaFAaacHBa1XXlgRscq_crzoGlUi68xQtfbYwMm-_cdbNaheb163x6NaWPPdLeY2s WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wikimedia.org.uk&u=aHR0cHM6Ly93aWtpbWVkaWEub3JnLnVr&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjdi&t=ZDVWdmhjK1FFSmNIZ3o1VGJSMk11ZUE1QVBEazdHM1hrdUN1OTI0NlNXST0=&h=fcbdcd2502b64649b755e841d1f77df9&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVZaFAaacHBa1XXlgRscq_crzoGlUi68xQtfbYwMm-_cdbNaheb163x6NaWPPdLeY2s
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Hello to all,
This point specifically deals with IP blocking actions carried out in outreach activities, in which newcomers are sumarily blocked, especially in universities or public spaces (probably because of others that might have vandalized Wikipedia using that IP address or other reason), affecting the flow of the events. We will discuss secure forms of implementation of this type of measures with the Wikimedia Foundation and the teams involved.
Cheers,
Speaking as someone who has made such blocks but only later found out the off-wiki context, sometimes they're absolutely necessary to prevent disruption. The people facilitating the event these events (I've done that too, back in the days when Wikimedia UK actually did stuff) need to be careful, especially if the event involves multiple people editing a small group of articles from one IP address because the people who respond to those edits on-wiki don't know there's an editathon happening if nobody tells them.
We also see a lot of abuse coming from places like public WiFi hotspots. University WiFi often gets blocked because of trivial problem edits but public WiFi hotspots are sometimes used for more sophisticated abuse - for example, we have problem editors who drive between coffee shops/fast-food outlets/other places that offer free WiFi solely to evade blocks and make disruptive (sometimes extremely problematic) edits to Wikipedia.
Harry
On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:33 PM Éder Porto eder.porto@wmnobrasil.org wrote:
Hello to all,
This point specifically deals with IP blocking actions carried out in outreach activities, in which newcomers are sumarily blocked, especially in universities or public spaces (probably because of others that might have vandalized Wikipedia using that IP address or other reason), affecting the flow of the events. We will discuss secure forms of implementation of this type of measures with the Wikimedia Foundation and the teams involved.
Cheers, _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Éder, to clarify, does your "We will discuss secure forms..." sentence refer to things like Wikimedia DNS or to responses to IP blocks? I'm somewhat unclear, as you reference WMF teams being involved.
Best regards, Rae
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 4:09 PM Harry Mitchell hjmwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Speaking as someone who has made such blocks but only later found out the off-wiki context, sometimes they're absolutely necessary to prevent disruption. The people facilitating the event these events (I've done that too, back in the days when Wikimedia UK actually did stuff) need to be careful, especially if the event involves multiple people editing a small group of articles from one IP address because the people who respond to those edits on-wiki don't know there's an editathon happening if nobody tells them.
We also see a lot of abuse coming from places like public WiFi hotspots. University WiFi often gets blocked because of trivial problem edits but public WiFi hotspots are sometimes used for more sophisticated abuse - for example, we have problem editors who drive between coffee shops/fast-food outlets/other places that offer free WiFi solely to evade blocks and make disruptive (sometimes extremely problematic) edits to Wikipedia.
Harry
On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:33 PM Éder Porto eder.porto@wmnobrasil.org wrote:
Hello to all,
This point specifically deals with IP blocking actions carried out in outreach activities, in which newcomers are sumarily blocked, especially in universities or public spaces (probably because of others that might have vandalized Wikipedia using that IP address or other reason), affecting the flow of the events. We will discuss secure forms of implementation of this type of measures with the Wikimedia Foundation and the teams involved.
Cheers, _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Rae, hello!
I must confess that I personally do not have a solution at hand, that's why I said we will discuss the best way to address this point. It is a complex issue, that includes security, but also efficient responses to IP blockages, that's why I mentioned both WMF and the teams involved (e.g. people that deal with this type of issues, stewards, event organizers etc).
Cheers,
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org