Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to join us.
Gordo
Well.... the cafe does serve booze.....
P
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to join us.
Gordo
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After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the survey supports that viewpoint.
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or in a quiet pub.
Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
Fae
On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to join us.
Gordo
On 15/05/15 16:18, Fæ wrote:
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years....
I strangely like daytime pub meets now, having stopped all alcohol 18 months ago. I never liked lunch time drinking. Now, I go to the pub at lunch time without the temptation to drink, since... I don't drink.
I take your points. But many meetups do have booze. For example, the "free beer and pizza" of the long gone "London Wiki Wednesdays".
London Wikimedia Meetup Number 94 Date and time: Sunday 14th June 2015 — 13:00 onwards
Nearly 100 meetings. A regular time slot (second Sunday of the month) is a part of the success.... IMHO. Same idea for the London Unix User Group (way back when).
Gordo
Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.
all the best
Fabian (User:Leutha)
On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the survey supports that viewpoint.
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or in a quiet pub.
Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
Fae
On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to join us.
Gordo
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I quite like the Cambridge format of meeting in a cafe and later decamping to a pub (especially since the pub is between the cafe and the railway station!). Bear in mind, though, that meetups aren't necessarily just about meeting random Wikipedians - many regulars turn up month after month because they enjoy socialising with the other regulars (as well as new people). We want to attract new people without alienating the existing regulars. Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: +44 (0) 7507 536971 Skype: harry_j_mitchell From: "leutha@fabiant.eu" leutha@fabiant.eu To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2015, 18:32 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey
Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it. all the best Fabian (User:Leutha)
On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the survey supports that viewpoint.
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or in a quiet pub.
Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
Fae
On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to join us.
Gordo
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While agreeing with Harry about meeting the regulars, I would maintain that much of the success of a meetup relies on someone who finds the time to schedule the meetup on a regular basis: Charles in Cambridge; Bazonka in the North-West; Redrose64 in Oxford. Once you've got a steady schedule, then you can look at varying times, days, venues to see if more editors can be attracted. I'll certainly discuss the ideas at the next meetups that I get to.
The big advantages of cafes and pubs is that people can come and go, can order food and drink if they wish, and don't look odd if the numbers are small or large. Of course those of us who are driving don't drink alcohol at the pub meets, and I have never found this a problem.
We have occasionally built in other activities (blue plaque hunting in Cambridge and monuments in London if I remember correctly). The only cafe I know in Oxford is Greens which is next to the Bird and Baby in St Giles, is nice, if pricey, but has accessibility issues.
I have often thought an outside meet-up in the summer would be a good idea, with an indoor option for the evening or in the event of rain.
Possibly university, community, religious or GLAM space might be used especially if an additional event was involved, but we would be very lucky to get such a venue on a recurring basis.
The other aspect that could be very useful is lift-sharing. I know this goes on to some extent, and I have given a few ad-hoc lifts myself, but it could build numbers especially away from London.
On 2 Jun 2015 23:52, "Richard Farmbrough" richard@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:
The big advantages of cafes and pubs is that people can come and go, can order food and drink if they wish, and don't look odd if the numbers are small or large.
Well put!
The only cafe I know in Oxford is Greens which is next to the Bird and Baby in St Giles, is nice, if pricey, but has accessibility issues.
I think in the specific case of Oxford (and probably more generally) I am pretty confident it would be possible to find a nice café (although not all will have wheelchair access). Off the top of my head, the Turl Street Kitchen is nice (if a bit trendy) and G&D's (St Aldates) would give the meetup a different vibe. Participants would be under a bit more pressure to order *something* (Wetherspoons being very lax about this) but in those two cases I've never had trouble.
Possibly university, community, religious or GLAM space might be used especially if an additional event was involved, but we would be very lucky to get such a venue on a recurring basis.
Certainly in Oxford it is generally pretty easy for a student to book a room at her/his own college, and many are without cost, although they tend to be more lecture theatres in setup than cafés!
Harry
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On 2 June 2015 at 23:52, Richard Farmbrough richard@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:
The other aspect that could be very useful is lift-sharing
"Third floor - BLPs and authority control. Going up!"
Well, following this we had our first East London Wiki Meetup https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/East_London/1 last Wednesday. We met in Waitrose which is very quiet on a Wednesday evening. It is also cheap if you have a Waitrose card, which means that you can get a free coffee paying the cost of a cake which can be less than the price of the coffee.
Five of us gathered and I feel that we all generally enjoyed the occasion. We are planning another in Stratford Westfield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfield_Stratford_City in July.
My feeling is that London is such a big city that it could support a number of new initiatives like this at different points of the compass, while keeping the regular meetup as a pub lunch in Pederel's Oak. I will keep my eyes open to see if anyone else steps forward on this.
all the best
Fabian
On 02 June 2015 at 18:32 "leutha@fabiant.eu" leutha@fabiant.eu wrote:
Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.
all the best
Fabian (User:Leutha)
On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the survey supports that viewpoint.
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or in a quiet pub.
Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
Fae
On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to join us.
Gordo
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I am afraid we did not pay attention to such issues. Have you got a reference for that?
On 28 June 2015 at 22:05 Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 28/06/15 14:48, leutha@fabiant.eu wrote:
We met in Waitrose which is very quiet on a Wednesday evening.
Could pick my shopping too!
Was the John Lewis cafe? Waitrose is the lowest of several floors.
Gordo
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My feeling is that London is such a big city that it could support a number of new initiatives like this at different points of the compass, while keeping the regular meetup as a pub lunch in Pederel's Oak. I will keep my eyes open to see if anyone else steps forward on this.
I'd be keen to host some stuff in my venue, if anyone wants to organise anything. If you're coming to the AGM you'll get to see it.
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On 02 June 2015 at 18:32 "leutha@fabiant.eu" leutha@fabiant.eu wrote:
Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.
all the best
Fabian (User:Leutha)
On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the survey supports that viewpoint.
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or in a quiet pub.
Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
Fae
On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
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Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused
to
join us.
Gordo
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I spent many happy months in Stratford, programming a GEAC 9000. I think that was before "posh shops" like Waitrose arrived.
On 29 June 2015 at 17:34, Edward Saperia edsaperia@gmail.com wrote:
My feeling is that London is such a big city that it could support a number of new initiatives like this at different points of the compass, while keeping the regular meetup as a pub lunch in Pederel's Oak. I will keep my eyes open to see if anyone else steps forward on this.
I'd be keen to host some stuff in my venue, if anyone wants to organise anything. If you're coming to the AGM you'll get to see it.
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On 02 June 2015 at 18:32 "leutha@fabiant.eu" leutha@fabiant.eu wrote:
Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.
all the best
Fabian (User:Leutha)
On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the survey supports that viewpoint.
People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or in a quiet pub.
Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
Fae
On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
Joe
-- *Joe Sutherland* http://jossu.co.uk
Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused
to
join us.
Gordo
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