Dear all
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
A multi-location, multilingual volunteer-led editathon will be taking place in various locations across the world on *Thursday 8th December. *In the UK, editathons will be taking place for BBC staff, presenters and special guests in all four nations of the UK with events in Belfast, Cardiff, Glasgow, London and Reading. Women in Red are also running a virtual editathon to involve more established editors, particularly those who are already working on the gender gap.
You can read more about this project on the meta page, which we will be updating as the week continues: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
Whilst the events in the UK are primarily for BBC staff, presenters, VIPs and other special guests, Wikimedia UK is collating a small guest list for the Broadcasting House event. If you would like to attend, please email Nicola.Furness@wikimedia.org.uk (copied in above) and let her know which of the following times would be best for you: 2 – 4pm, 3 – 5pm, 4 – 6pm or 5 – 7pm. Nicola is liaising with the BBC over capacity and will confirm your space ASAP.
We are also exploring the potential for external guests at the events in Cardiff, Reading and Glasgow, so please email Nicola if you are interested.
All best Lucy
Hi all
Following on from my previous email (below) about the 100 Women event, the BBC still have spaces at the Broadcasting House editathon at 3.30pm and 5pm. If you would like to come along as a contributor please send me a quick email and I'll give your name to reception at New Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA.
Thanks Lucy
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk Date: 5 December 2016 at 14:41 Subject: BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Dear all
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
A multi-location, multilingual volunteer-led editathon will be taking place in various locations across the world on *Thursday 8th December. *In the UK, editathons will be taking place for BBC staff, presenters and special guests in all four nations of the UK with events in Belfast, Cardiff, Glasgow, London and Reading. Women in Red are also running a virtual editathon to involve more established editors, particularly those who are already working on the gender gap.
You can read more about this project on the meta page, which we will be updating as the week continues: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_ UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
Whilst the events in the UK are primarily for BBC staff, presenters, VIPs and other special guests, Wikimedia UK is collating a small guest list for the Broadcasting House event. If you would like to attend, please email Nicola.Furness@wikimedia.org.uk (copied in above) and let her know which of the following times would be best for you: 2 – 4pm, 3 – 5pm, 4 – 6pm or 5 – 7pm. Nicola is liaising with the BBC over capacity and will confirm your space ASAP.
We are also exploring the potential for external guests at the events in Cardiff, Reading and Glasgow, so please email Nicola if you are interested.
All best Lucy
And very nice to hear Lucy on the Today programme! Around 8:50 am.
Gordo
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
Agree with Gordo. It would be sensible for event coordinators to get the BBC news piece changed this morning. It would be a lot better to give a link to the on-wiki help.
I have plenty of experience creating biographies, but I still had two new biography stubs for women academics put up for deletion this week. The notability guidelines can be tough and difficult to interpret, even very experienced contributors find ourselves debating the meaning of "impact" and "major" for individual cases.
BTW If anyone is talking to the BBC In Our Time producer or Melvin Bragg himself, they have an archive of photographs for everyone that appears on the radio programme which seem unpublished apart from use on twitter. It would be great to get the archive released to Commons as only half of the people taking part on Melvin's panels have biographies, and even fewer have illustrated biographies. Oh, and IOT seems to make a point of having academically distinguished women on the panels...
Thanks, Fae
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
The video is very flashy! Articles in red, need your help!
All you need to know in 100 seconds....
Gordo
On 08 December 2016 at 09:46 Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote: Agree with Gordo. It would be sensible for event coordinators to get the BBC news piece changed this morning. It would be a lot better to give a link to the on-wiki help.
I know Lucy is aware of the connection between comms policy, and training material, since we had a brief exchange about that after the AGM. There is no reason that WMUK shouldn't have creditable training content on its own site, adapted to current needs.
Charles
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.com mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote: On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk https://wikimedia.org.uk/
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Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
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On 08/12/16 10:24, Michael Peel wrote:
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there?
Thanks Mike. I have just now interacted!
Gordo
Any chance of getting them to tweak http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
If you create a biography of a living person on Wikipedia you really need to cite a reliable source - such as a BBC article about them.
On 8 December 2016 at 10:24, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia. org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
Lucy Crompton-Reid
Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Hi all
I've added the link to the enwiki help pages on the project meta page, and I'm talking to the BBC about updating the News pages...thanks all!
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 11:00, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Any chance of getting them to tweak http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ technology-38219838
If you create a biography of a living person on Wikipedia you really need to cite a reliable source - such as a BBC article about them.
On 8 December 2016 at 10:24, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
Lucy Crompton-Reid
Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Hello all!
On my way from a wiki session in Edinburgh to the BBC session in Glasgow, where m'colleague Ewan is already guiding that team. I provided a training session a week or so ago in preparation for today, but as we all know, the best way to learn is by doing. I'm so excited to be able to help get these missing women into the encyclopaedia.
As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on the talk pages of any articles created by new users today. I would wholeheartedly encourage anyone on this list who is able, to stop by these new articles and help give them the best possible chance at wiki life. (And if needed, lend a hand if we see newbies being bitten.)
Yours in encyclopaedia-building-wiki-love,
Sara Thomas User:lirazelf Previously Wikimedian in Residence at Museums Galleries Scotland, now free-range.
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Dec 2016, at 11:24, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.ukmailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi all
I've added the link to the enwiki help pages on the project meta page, and I'm talking to the BBC about updating the News pages...thanks all!
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 11:00, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.commailto:werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote: Any chance of getting them to tweak http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
If you create a biography of a living person on Wikipedia you really need to cite a reliable source - such as a BBC article about them.
On 8 December 2016 at 10:24, Michael Peel <email@mikepeel.netmailto:email@mikepeel.net> wrote: It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.ukmailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.commailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote: On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.ukhttps://wikimedia.org.uk/
--
Lucy Crompton-Reid
Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
Lucy Crompton-Reid
Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Fantastic, thanks Sara! Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 12:01, Sara Thomas sa.thomas@live.com wrote:
Hello all!
On my way from a wiki session in Edinburgh to the BBC session in Glasgow, where m'colleague Ewan is already guiding that team. I provided a training session a week or so ago in preparation for today, but as we all know, the best way to learn is by doing. I'm so excited to be able to help get these missing women into the encyclopaedia.
As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on the talk pages of any articles created by new users today. I would wholeheartedly encourage anyone on this list who is able, to stop by these new articles and help give them the best possible chance at wiki life. (And if needed, lend a hand if we see newbies being bitten.)
Yours in encyclopaedia-building-wiki-love,
Sara Thomas User:lirazelf Previously Wikimedian in Residence at Museums Galleries Scotland, now free-range.
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Dec 2016, at 11:24, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia. org.uk> wrote:
Hi all
I've added the link to the enwiki help pages on the project meta page, and I'm talking to the BBC about updating the News pages...thanks all!
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 11:00, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
Any chance of getting them to tweak http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech nology-38219838
If you create a biography of a living person on Wikipedia you really need to cite a reliable source - such as a BBC article about them.
On 8 December 2016 at 10:24, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in
Red
and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
Lucy Crompton-Reid
Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991 <+44%2020%207065%200991>
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
--
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Chief Executive
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0991 <+44%2020%207065%200991>
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
Which then expands to....
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:-)
Gordo
Since the BBC is encouraging people to create unsourced articles on living people there is a high possibility they will turn up at either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion
I've rescued at least one from each so far today, including one that was definitely part of the BBC project.
I'm wondering whether it might be worth doing an article rescue editathon as part of the next feminism event - there are always articles on women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion
Jonathan
On 8 December 2016 at 12:18, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
Which then expands to....
This is an article recently created by a new user. More editing may be needed to meet standards, but please be courteous and assume good faith, and consider leaving a constructive message on the creator's talk page if large changes need to be made. This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by someone other than its creator. If you are the article's creator, you can seek feedback on your new article.
:-)
Gordo
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Thanks Jonathan, that's a great idea!
At the training events we are of course reinforcing the need for appropriate secondary sources, and lots of preparation work has been done by Roger and other Women in Red editors, Stuart Prior at Wikimedia UK and BBC staff to create lists of women to be added - with sources - on the resources section of the meta page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women_Resources
On the 'how to' video that the BBC made - basic as it undoubtedly is - finding sources is point 4. Of course, this important point may get lost in the ether so any support from the community in keeping articles up and improving them would be HUGELY appreciated!
All best Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 12:56, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Since the BBC is encouraging people to create unsourced articles on living people there is a high possibility they will turn up at either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_ speedy_deletion
I've rescued at least one from each so far today, including one that was definitely part of the BBC project.
I'm wondering whether it might be worth doing an article rescue editathon as part of the next feminism event - there are always articles on women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion
Jonathan
On 8 December 2016 at 12:18, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
Which then expands to....
This is an article recently created by a new user. More editing may be needed to meet standards, but please be courteous and assume good faith, and consider leaving a constructive message on the creator's talk page if large changes need to be made. This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by someone other than its creator. If you are the article's creator, you can seek feedback on your new article.
:-)
Gordo
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On 08/12/16 13:37, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
At the training events we are of course reinforcing the need for appropriate secondary sources, and lots of preparation work has been done by Roger and other Women in Red editors, Stuart Prior at Wikimedia UK and BBC staff to create lists of women to be added - with sources - on the resources section of the meta page:
And somewhere a request not to "cherry pick" easy biographies so that they can be created as part of today's event, since WiR (as part of BBC 100 Women) is a event spread over a much longer time frame (21 Nov - 15 Dec 2016).
Jimmy Wales was the the BBC (interviewed on BBC OS). I was a little frustrated that this hour long programme featured the Editathon interspersed with "World News".
Available at https://twitter.com/BBCOS (Periscope).
Gordo
An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_not_a_copyright_vio...
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 11:37, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Thanks Jonathan, that's a great idea!
At the training events we are of course reinforcing the need for appropriate secondary sources, and lots of preparation work has been done by Roger and other Women in Red editors, Stuart Prior at Wikimedia UK and BBC staff to create lists of women to be added - with sources - on the resources section of the meta page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women_Resources https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women_Resources
On the 'how to' video that the BBC made - basic as it undoubtedly is - finding sources is point 4. Of course, this important point may get lost in the ether so any support from the community in keeping articles up and improving them would be HUGELY appreciated!
All best Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 12:56, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com mailto:werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote: Since the BBC is encouraging people to create unsourced articles on living people there is a high possibility they will turn up at either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion
I've rescued at least one from each so far today, including one that was definitely part of the BBC project.
I'm wondering whether it might be worth doing an article rescue editathon as part of the next feminism event - there are always articles on women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion
Jonathan
On 8 December 2016 at 12:18, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.com mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote: On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
Which then expands to....
This is an article recently created by a new user. More editing may be needed to meet standards, but please be courteous and assume good faith, and consider leaving a constructive message on the creator's talk page if large changes need to be made. This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by someone other than its creator. If you are the article's creator, you can seek feedback on your new article.
:-)
Gordo
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On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_not_a_copyright_vio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_%28BBC%29#Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
Thanks, Mike
I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive pressure of rights).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
So, don't hold your breath!
Gordo
Hi all
There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is actually an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a lot of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add this to my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on this question first.
Thanks Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_
not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F>
Thanks, Mike
I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive pressure of rights).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
So, don't hold your breath!
Gordo
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See [1], in short if a list can be created by repeatable analysis of data, then it's not copyrightable, otherwise, by definition, it must have subjective creativity and so is copyrightable. The 100 women list is not independently repeatable, so to be published on Wikipedia without future risk of deletion, there needs to be a release from the copyright holder.
For the English Wikipedia, the copyright of lists was thrashed out by the community several years ago. I became part of that discussion in its early days as I was using lists of film box-office income as part of a large number of articles I was creating for Bollywood film history. I suggest the charity takes advantage of that existing investment in volunteer time, rather than spending its resources elsewhere, especially as the Wikipedia community would still need to accept any differing opinion.
By the way, I worked closely with Maggie Dennis to get this right, she is an excellent thinker on these aspects of copyright. In those days she was an independent volunteer, but now is the WMF Director of Support, Safety and Programs. You could always drop her a note.
Link * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_in_lists
Thanks, Fae
On 9 December 2016 at 09:31, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is actually an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a lot of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add this to my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on this question first.
Thanks Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_not_a_copyright_vio...
Thanks, Mike
I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive pressure of rights).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
So, don't hold your breath!
Gordo
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Thanks Fae, this is super helpful! By 'legal clarity' I meant 'will talk to people in the community who know more about this than I do', rather than 'see a lawyer' :)
Will follow up early next week.
Cheers Lucy
On 9 December 2016 at 10:13, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
See [1], in short if a list can be created by repeatable analysis of data, then it's not copyrightable, otherwise, by definition, it must have subjective creativity and so is copyrightable. The 100 women list is not independently repeatable, so to be published on Wikipedia without future risk of deletion, there needs to be a release from the copyright holder.
For the English Wikipedia, the copyright of lists was thrashed out by the community several years ago. I became part of that discussion in its early days as I was using lists of film box-office income as part of a large number of articles I was creating for Bollywood film history. I suggest the charity takes advantage of that existing investment in volunteer time, rather than spending its resources elsewhere, especially as the Wikipedia community would still need to accept any differing opinion.
By the way, I worked closely with Maggie Dennis to get this right, she is an excellent thinker on these aspects of copyright. In those days she was an independent volunteer, but now is the WMF Director of Support, Safety and Programs. You could always drop her a note.
Link
Thanks, Fae
On 9 December 2016 at 09:31, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is
actually
an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a
lot
of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add
this to
my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on this question first.
Thanks Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and
maybe
a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F>
Thanks, Mike
I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive pressure of rights).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
So, don't hold your breath!
Gordo
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That's interesting. How was the issue handled with *A History of the World in 100 Objects* a few years back?
On 9 December 2016 at 10:13, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
See [1], in short if a list can be created by repeatable analysis of data, then it's not copyrightable, otherwise, by definition, it must have subjective creativity and so is copyrightable. The 100 women list is not independently repeatable, so to be published on Wikipedia without future risk of deletion, there needs to be a release from the copyright holder.
For the English Wikipedia, the copyright of lists was thrashed out by the community several years ago. I became part of that discussion in its early days as I was using lists of film box-office income as part of a large number of articles I was creating for Bollywood film history. I suggest the charity takes advantage of that existing investment in volunteer time, rather than spending its resources elsewhere, especially as the Wikipedia community would still need to accept any differing opinion.
By the way, I worked closely with Maggie Dennis to get this right, she is an excellent thinker on these aspects of copyright. In those days she was an independent volunteer, but now is the WMF Director of Support, Safety and Programs. You could always drop her a note.
Link
Thanks, Fae
On 9 December 2016 at 09:31, Lucy Crompton-Reid lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all
There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is
actually
an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a
lot
of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add
this to
my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on this question first.
Thanks Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and
maybe
a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F>
Thanks, Mike
I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive pressure of rights).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
So, don't hold your breath!
Gordo
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On 9 December 2016 at 10:49, Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
That's interesting. How was the issue handled with A History of the World in 100 Objects a few years back?
I don't think that the issue was ever mentioned by anyone. In cases like [[A History of the World in 100 Objects]], [[Our Top Ten Treasures]], and [[Britain's Secret Treasures]] the lists are notable and of public interest because they have been featured in TV programmes, and it is impossible to write an article on the subject without giving the listed objects. To not list the items would be an extreme disservice to our readers, and would not be any benefit to the original compilers of the lists.
Personally, I think that in such cases and for 100 women where no-one is claiming the list as their intellectual property we should not be overzealous in protecting imaginary copyright concerns. I hope that for 100 women common sense will prevail over legalistic arguments.
Andrew [[User:BabelStone]]
Fortunately nobody is suggesting deletion :-) However there is a good learning point for future projects, in that on any start of a project the question of copyright needs to be taken on, to ensure all possible tees are crossed and ies dotted so that volunteers can avoid getting bogged down in post-event copyright debate.
As a counterexample to this case of probable 'accidental' copyright, a real problem for Wikimedians has been the Wikiloves Monuments projects. In the UK we had many long and difficult discussions about how to access regional lists of protected monuments and deal with the fact that many are copyrighted by institutions that actively protect their copyright. Again, they are just lists of things, so you can do great stuff like scrape databases and create free apps with interactive maps of monuments, however you can't just reuse the lists without considering whether your actions are against the potentially enforceable copyright terms.
Fae
On 9 December 2016 at 11:10, Andrew West andrewcwest@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 December 2016 at 10:49, Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
That's interesting. How was the issue handled with A History of the World in 100 Objects a few years back?
I don't think that the issue was ever mentioned by anyone. In cases like [[A History of the World in 100 Objects]], [[Our Top Ten Treasures]], and [[Britain's Secret Treasures]] the lists are notable and of public interest because they have been featured in TV programmes, and it is impossible to write an article on the subject without giving the listed objects. To not list the items would be an extreme disservice to our readers, and would not be any benefit to the original compilers of the lists.
Personally, I think that in such cases and for 100 women where no-one is claiming the list as their intellectual property we should not be overzealous in protecting imaginary copyright concerns. I hope that for 100 women common sense will prevail over legalistic arguments.
Andrew [[User:BabelStone]]
A comment from User:Czar
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
Gordo
I've just gone ahead and closed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Laura_Coryton as keep.
In a sense the BBC is gaming the system by writing out loud that Laura Coryton doesn't have an article but should be, because the article itself then becomes a reliable source which pushes the subject up a notch on the notability scale. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/96d9abef-b668-42b7-a3bd-6305c42b5ff9
But on the AfD itself, few comments were raised about the BBC article's effect on this AfD. While I will never know how many of those unsubstantiated "keep because I think this article meets the inclusion guideline" comments were swayed by the BBC campaign, it seems that very few people thought the BBC campaign directly affected the notability of these women.
I hope these observations will be useful for future BBC/WMUK collaborations.
Deryck (with his en.wp admin hat on)
On 10 December 2016 at 21:48, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
A comment from User:Czar
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
Gordo
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Thanks Deryk, there seems to be some deep feelings on this one. There seems to some suspicion that there is a conspiracy to raise the profile of women on Wikipedia..... well they are right! However that doesn't mean to say that we want to ignore the rules.
I recently wrote an article about a Nigerian model and 25 seemingly unrelated web sites then ran a story about the fact that "Wikipedia had chosen her". Worrying to see that the press is covering such minor stuff. Anyway thanks from "Women in Red".
R
On 15 December 2016 at 18:40, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
I've just gone ahead and closed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_ deletion/Laura_Coryton as keep.
In a sense the BBC is gaming the system by writing out loud that Laura Coryton doesn't have an article but should be, because the article itself then becomes a reliable source which pushes the subject up a notch on the notability scale. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/96d9abef-b668-42b7-a3bd-6305c42b5ff9
But on the AfD itself, few comments were raised about the BBC article's effect on this AfD. While I will never know how many of those unsubstantiated "keep because I think this article meets the inclusion guideline" comments were swayed by the BBC campaign, it seems that very few people thought the BBC campaign directly affected the notability of these women.
I hope these observations will be useful for future BBC/WMUK collaborations.
Deryck (with his en.wp admin hat on)
On 10 December 2016 at 21:48, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
A comment from User:Czar
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
Gordo
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On 15 December 2016 at 23:00 Roger Bamkin victuallers@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Deryk, there seems to be some deep feelings on this one. Thereseems to some suspicion that there is a conspiracy to raise the profile of women on Wikipedia..... well they are right! However that doesn't mean to say that we want to ignore the rules.
There are kind of two points:
*WP doesn't work on a concept of "prominence", beyond the Main Page, while the media work with little else.
*Gaming the usual concepts around notability is self-defeating, but prompting research that is less superficial is the opposite.
Charles
The editors in London who had editor support did very well. We trained lots of very bright people. I know that we've had dozens in other languages and we had newbies in London creating two good articles. A link to the detail might have been a catch all but we no have a bare Edit button above every article. I suspect this is the biggest in person editathon... Have there been others?
On 8 Dec 2016 10:24 am, "Michael Peel" email@mikepeel.net wrote:
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia. org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
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The Glasgow editors were similarly bright and very happy to be able to contribute - a brilliant day, all round.
Art+Feminism is similar in lots of ways...
Sara
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The editors in London who had editor support did very well. We trained lots of very bright people. I know that we've had dozens in other languages and we had newbies in London creating two good articles. A link to the detail might have been a catch all but we no have a bare Edit button above every article. I suspect this is the biggest in person editathon... Have there been others?
On 8 Dec 2016 10:24 am, "Michael Peel" <email@mikepeel.netmailto:email@mikepeel.net> wrote: It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.ukmailto:lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly@pobox.commailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com> wrote: On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
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Dear all
In the next few days I will be emailing more formal thanks to lots of people involved in the events within the UK and further afield, but I've just arrived home and before I open the wine I wanted to say how grateful I am for so many people's time, energy, expertise and good humour today and in the run up to today. More anon.
All best Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 20:24, Sara Thomas sa.thomas@live.com wrote:
The Glasgow editors were similarly bright and very happy to be able to contribute - a brilliant day, all round.
Art+Feminism is similar in lots of ways...
Sara
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The editors in London who had editor support did very well. We trained lots of very bright people. I know that we've had dozens in other languages and we had newbies in London creating two good articles. A link to the detail might have been a catch all but we no have a bare Edit button above every article. I suspect this is the biggest in person editathon... Have there been others?
On 8 Dec 2016 10:24 am, "Michael Peel" email@mikepeel.net wrote:
It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
Thanks, Mike
On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordo
This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
Lucy
On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
we find
"How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points for a new editor.
I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox.... for example. There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other instruction.
Gordo
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Thanks Lucy
On 5 December 2016 at 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Dear all
As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
A multi-location, multilingual volunteer-led editathon will be taking place in various locations across the world on *Thursday 8th December. *In the UK, editathons will be taking place for BBC staff, presenters and special guests in all four nations of the UK with events in Belfast, Cardiff, Glasgow, London and Reading. Women in Red are also running a virtual editathon to involve more established editors, particularly those who are already working on the gender gap.
You can read more about this project on the meta page, which we will be updating as the week continues: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_ UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
Whilst the events in the UK are primarily for BBC staff, presenters, VIPs and other special guests, Wikimedia UK is collating a small guest list for the Broadcasting House event. If you would like to attend, please email Nicola.Furness@wikimedia.org.uk (copied in above) and let her know which of the following times would be best for you: 2 – 4pm, 3 – 5pm, 4 – 6pm or 5 – 7pm. Nicola is liaising with the BBC over capacity and will confirm your space ASAP.
We are also exploring the potential for external guests at the events in Cardiff, Reading and Glasgow, so please email Nicola if you are interested.
All best Lucy
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