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David Gerard

30 Jan 2013 30 Jan '13

3:04 p.m.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-lan… Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d.

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Damokos Bence

30 Jan 30 Jan

3:12 p.m.

To give a sense of scale until someone finds more accurate data, according to http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryB… and http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryB… 94% of edits from the UK are on the English Wikipedia, and 6% to the other languages; and about the same is true for readers. Also, according to: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerLanguage… , http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguage… 2% of edits to the Polish Wikipedia come from the UK, and about 1.5% of the readers; if I read the page right. Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-lan… Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Peter Coombe

4:39 p.m.

The detailed breakdowns (quite large pages): http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryB… http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryB… About 0.6% of both views and edits in the United Kingdom are to the Polish Wikipedia, indeed putting it in second place. I think this has been the case for a while, I remember noticing it mid-2011 when looking up language data for fundraising. A couple of other interesting things to note from these statistics: Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility. None of the South Asian languages mentioned in the Guardian article appear in either the views or edits. Pete / the wub On 30 January 2013 15:12, Damokos Bence <damokos.bence(a)wikimedia.hu> wrote:

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David Gerard

4:42 p.m.

On 30 January 2013 16:39, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility.

Definitely. Who here speaks Welsh? Who's on cy:wp? - d.

Richard Symonds

4:48 p.m.

The Welsh editors don't usually read this list - at least, not all of them - although a few do. A good person to get in touch with is User:Llewellyn2000. He's been really spearheading the Welsh Wicipedia outreach - it's fantastic. You can have a bit of a read of what we've been doing so far in the following posts: http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/08/wikimedia-uk-wicipedia-cymraeg-and-the…, and http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/01/wonderful-work-by-wicipedia-cymraeg-gw… Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 30 January 2013 16:42, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 30 January 2013 16:39, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't

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more to promote its visibility.

Definitely. Who here speaks Welsh? Who's on cy:wp? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Chris McKenna

4:53 p.m.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, David Gerard wrote:

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On 30 January 2013 16:39, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility.

Definitely. Who here speaks Welsh? Who's on cy:wp?

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Asaf Bartov

4:52 p.m.

Another bit of data - active editors of PLWP outside Poland, in several likely countries: http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/plwp_active (slow to load; hover over the lines to get the legend) for comparison, PLWP enjoys ~1.3k active editors from Poland. A. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki(a)googlemail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Deryck Chan

3:54 p.m.

Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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WereSpielChequers

4:49 p.m.

I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second language of Ireland. WSC On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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David Gerard

4:51 p.m.

There's a WIkimedia IE list - any of its readers here? On 30 January 2013 16:49, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thomas Dalton

6:17 p.m.

On 30 January 2013 16:51, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There's a WIkimedia IE list - any of its readers here?

I'm on the WM IE list - very little traffic there. Apart from a cross-posted email asking for chapter's mailing addresses for a christmas card (there isn't an Irish chapter, although it has been discussed, so I think it was sent to that list by mistake) there has been nothing since June 2012.

Roger Bamkin

7 p.m.

Oh don't undersell the welsh Wicipedia - its the most popular web site in Welsh and we get access to Education ministers and top cultural bodies. But Peter, thanks for finding that detail. Nice to see the spread of languages. On 30 January 2013 16:49, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Neil Harris

10:46 p.m.

On 30/01/13 19:00, Roger Bamkin wrote:

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By the way, if anyone's interested and in a position to help, I just took a look on my phone, and saw that the mobile version of the Welsh Wikipedia front page is currently broken, with no content other than the framing content provided by the mobile interface... Neil

Michael Peel

10:56 p.m.

On 30 Jan 2013, at 22:46, Neil Harris <neil(a)tonal.clara.co.uk> wrote:

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On 30/01/13 19:00, Roger Bamkin wrote:

I think this needs an admin of the Welsh Wicipedia to make some changes to the formatting of the main page, as per the guidelines at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Mobile_Gateway/Mobile_homepa… Thanks, Mike

HJ Mitchell

31 Jan 31 Jan

5:22 p.m.

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On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-lan…

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Roger Bamkin

1 Feb 1 Feb

9:40 a.m.

When we started the second museum collaboration with Derby it was based on the work that Liam and Mike had kicked off at the British Museum. The BM had put up prizes to encourage 5 or so Featured articles - not sure if it was the plan but only one of the winners was in English (I think). In Derby we decided to take that idea and pitch it to those multi lingual people *in Derby* to write articles that were not in English. We failed - as we had lots of articles but only a small proportion were non English articles from Britain. The articles were mostly from Western Europe and Indonesia. It is a tricky subject to try and find these minorities. As Mike suggests this is maybe best left to those communities to ask if they need help. This has happened in Wales - and Wicipedia is a reat Welsh (and a UK) project. R On 31 January 2013 17:22, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> wrote:

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I don't think it needs to be done in any way that might be contentious. We (the members of this movement) all share a roughly similar vision, and realise that attracting new contributors (whether they speak English, Polish, Irish, or even Huttese) is essential to to keeping that vision alive. It would be interesting to find out how the proportion of the Polish population in the UK that edits Wikipedia (in any language) compares to the overall proportion of UK residents who edit Wikipedia. It would certainly be interesting to try to do some outreach to non-English-speaking groups. Not necessarily easy, but worthwhile... Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell ________________________________ From: WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2013, 16:49 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second language of Ireland. WSC On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote: Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-lan… Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Richard Symonds

11:05 a.m.

Not quite - I think Wales got involved after I left them a message on Y Caffi (the Welsh village pump). It took a few weeks for a reply, but eventually, Robin Owain rang my office phone and we had a long chat! It's really worth reaching out to these groups so that they know you're there. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 1 February 2013 09:40, Roger Bamkin <victuallers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I don't think it needs to be done in any way that might be contentious.

(the members of this movement) all share a roughly similar vision, and realise that attracting new contributors (whether they speak English, Polish, Irish, or even Huttese) is essential to to keeping that vision alive. It would be interesting to find out how the proportion of the Polish population in the UK that edits Wikipedia (in any language) compares to

the

overall proportion of UK residents who edit Wikipedia. It would

certainly be

interesting to try to do some outreach to non-English-speaking groups.

Not

necessarily easy, but worthwhile... Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell ________________________________ From: WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2013, 16:49 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to

involve

itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the

second

language of Ireland. WSC On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote: Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than

native

Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-lan…

Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Gordon Joly

8:16 p.m.

On 01/02/13 11:05, Richard Symonds wrote:

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Not quite - I think Wales got involved

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Asaf Bartov
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Damokos Bence
David Gerard
Deryck Chan
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HJ Mitchell
Michael Peel
Neil Harris
Peter Coombe
Richard Symonds
Roger Bamkin
Thomas Dalton
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