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Charles Matthews

29 Dec 2009 29 Dec '09

5:03 a.m.

WMUK CC Steve Virgin Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned? Charles

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Stephen Tilley

29 Dec 29 Dec

9:38 a.m.

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Charles Matthews

10:19 a.m.

OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This will be "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it stands on the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version, circulate further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed. Charles Stephen Tilley wrote:

Apart from: /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here) it's very good. Best Wishes Stephen Tilley Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <mailto:charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote: WMUK CC Steve Virgin Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned? Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Michael Peel

10:23 a.m.

Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until then, that would be great... Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:

OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This will be "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it stands on the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version, circulate further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed. Charles Stephen Tilley wrote:

Apart from: /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here) it's very good. Best Wishes Stephen Tilley Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <mailto:charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote: WMUK CC Steve Virgin Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned? Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Michael Peel

2:05 p.m.

Just as a follow-up to this, it's fantastic that these press releases are being put together - and I hope that this continues going forward - but it's important to remember that, if it goes out with the Wikimedia UK name on it, it needs to have board approval. Please don't start sending out draft press releases before that approval exists. In this case, it's too late, so we'll have to live with it. But please don't do this again... In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss. The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands is lacking a headline and a date. Steve's also made some suggested changes, which I've put on the talk page. Thanks, Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:23, Michael Peel wrote:

Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until then, that would be great... Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:

OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This will be "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it stands on the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version, circulate further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed. Charles Stephen Tilley wrote:

Apart from: /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here) it's very good. Best Wishes Stephen Tilley Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <mailto:charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote: WMUK CC Steve Virgin Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned? Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Charles Matthews

2:36 p.m.

Michael Peel wrote:

In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss. The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands is lacking a headline and a date.

I don't agree with the Talk page comment "release should promote WMUK and its activities, e.g. Britain Loves Wikipedia, as much as possible". My views on press releases are probably known to readers of the list by now. I would go so far as to say that "corporate identity" material is dead weight in getting media attention. To put it another way, promotion through simply contacting the media has to earn its keep. On the issue of handling, I have been in contact with a Board member, and I imagine my views will be represented to the Board. I'll pass on second-guessing the detailed drafting. 70 years is correct for the UK, that much is clear, and _in the press release_ nothing else should be brought in. Charles

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Michael Peel

31 Dec 31 Dec

11:39 a.m.

Hi all, The press release has now gone out, and is now on the WMUK blog. There has already been some interest in it from a national newspaper. Congratulations and thank you to all that worked on putting it together; you've done a fantastic job. We now need to make sure that we follow up - and make these works available on Wikisource etc. as soon as we can tomorrow. Who can help with this? Brian: did you get anywhere with getting Stephen Fry etc. to record some of the works of Yeat to go onto Wikip/media? Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:05, Michael Peel wrote:

Just as a follow-up to this, it's fantastic that these press releases are being put together - and I hope that this continues going forward - but it's important to remember that, if it goes out with the Wikimedia UK name on it, it needs to have board approval. Please don't start sending out draft press releases before that approval exists. In this case, it's too late, so we'll have to live with it. But please don't do this again... In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss. The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands is lacking a headline and a date. Steve's also made some suggested changes, which I've put on the talk page. Thanks, Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:23, Michael Peel wrote:

Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until then, that would be great... Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:

OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This will be "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it stands on the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version, circulate further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed. Charles Stephen Tilley wrote:

Apart from: /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here) it's very good. Best Wishes Stephen Tilley Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <mailto:charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote: WMUK CC Steve Virgin Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned? Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk- l(a)wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- - - --- _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Douglas Gardner

4:44 p.m.

Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where WMF is based? MC8 -----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael Peel Sent: 31 December 2009 01:40 PM To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Steve Virgin Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day) Hi all, The press release has now gone out, and is now on the WMUK blog. There has already been some interest in it from a national newspaper. Congratulations and thank you to all that worked on putting it together; you've done a fantastic job. We now need to make sure that we follow up - and make these works available on Wikisource etc. as soon as we can tomorrow. Who can help with this? Brian: did you get anywhere with getting Stephen Fry etc. to record some of the works of Yeat to go onto Wikip/media? Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:05, Michael Peel wrote:

Just as a follow-up to this, it's fantastic that these press releases are being put together - and I hope that this continues going forward - but it's important to remember that, if it goes out with the Wikimedia UK name on it, it needs to have board approval. Please don't start sending out draft press releases before that approval exists. In this case, it's too late, so we'll have to live with it. But please don't do this again... In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss. The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands is lacking a headline and a date. Steve's also made some suggested changes, which I've put on the talk page. Thanks, Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:23, Michael Peel wrote:

Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until then, that would be great... Mike On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:

OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This will be "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it stands on the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version, circulate further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed. Charles Stephen Tilley wrote:

Apart from: /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here) it's very good. Best Wishes Stephen Tilley Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <mailto:charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote: WMUK CC Steve Virgin Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned? Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk- l(a)wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- - - --- _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Brian McNeil

4:54 p.m.

On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:44 +0000, Douglas Gardner wrote:

Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where WMF is based?

That's a question for an international copyright lawyer. Since the servers actually run on UTC; why not ignore these quaint ideas of adjusting time based on where people are in the world. :-P -- Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> Wikinewsie.org

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David Gerard

5:18 p.m.

2009/12/31 Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org>rg>:

On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:44 +0000, Douglas Gardner wrote:

> Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where > WMF is based?

That's a question for an international copyright lawyer. Since the servers actually run on UTC; why not ignore these quaint ideas of adjusting time based on where people are in the world. :-P

Britain is presently on UTC and this is British law, so 00:00:01 UTC Jan 1 2010 would be right, I should think. - d.

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geni

1 Jan 1 Jan

6:40 p.m.

2009/12/31 David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:

2009/12/31 Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org>rg>:

On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:44 +0000, Douglas Gardner wrote:

> Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where > WMF is based?

That's a question for an international copyright lawyer. Since the servers actually run on UTC; why not ignore these quaint ideas of adjusting time based on where people are in the world. :-P

Britain is presently on UTC and this is British law, so 00:00:01 UTC Jan 1 2010 would be right, I should think.

That is correct. In terms of timing only UK is significant since nothing not already in the public domain in the US is going to enter the public domain in the US until 2018 (when stuff published in 1923 will hit the public domain). -- geni

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