I hope they will step in more in future. We should all aim to maintain a level of decorum on this list, even when we're criticising one another, and the moderators should say something when the decorum slips. Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 15:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to treat all contributors here equally.
As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.
Fae
On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.
On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current trustees.
The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be heard.
This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses much of its value as a community sounding board.
Fae
On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
Fae,
I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, which is that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you mind including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead of Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone else subscribed to this list.
Thanks,
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: No, I don't get it.
Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably rude? "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you include the relevant content."
Fae
On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hello all,
I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a second there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came across as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That has to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might be necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a rule holds true on an internet mailing list.
A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's no problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at least keep a friendly face on most emails.
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