On 9 November 2013 02:21:48, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
> The bare bones, for something on enWS, would be
>
> *choice from out of existing texts on WS of a range of works, none too
> hard to do (steer clear of special characters, heavy format and so on),
and
> *a page with links to the Index pages?
>
> With explanations of the traffic-light quality system, and an outline of
> the competition rules.
Setting up a page will be easy but first,
1) Is Wikimedia UK going to back this?
2) How is this going to work?
I'm not that familiar with all of the unfinished works on Wikisource at the
moment but I think we might need to upload some new ones too.
If we do this, we need to work out what sort of works we want to use.
I think works from the late Victorian era or twentieth century would be the
best choice. They probably won't have the special characters or formatting
issues, for the most part. Novels might be better than poetry; the latter
has less text but more formatting. More famous authors might make sense
but may also feel redundant; I don't know if people would want to work on
something that's already widely available elsewhere. I would like to
include some mid-twentieth century stuff, as a gentle reminder than the
public domain did not stop in 1900, but the only things I know that are
available are some issues of Amazing Stories that I had planned to work on
myself (which have some illustrations and a few pages with complicated
formatting). There should probably be some variety so people not
interested in one could swap to something else.
What are the competition rules? For example, do validations count? It
would be nice to include that aspect of the project. Does proofread of
non-competition list works count towards scoring? What if one person does
some proofreading but the page is completed by another? Will Wikimedia UK
award prizes to users outside the UK? Will Wikimedia UK award prizes?!
Some of my suggested answers:-
* 2 points per proofread page
* 1 point per validated page
* Only works on the competition list count towards scoring
* Works proofread by multiple people have the points divided equally among
them, except...
** Merely saving OCR'd text without proofreading doesn't count for scoring
* Blank pages do not count towards scoring
* The importance of the location of the user is probably down to the chapter
If cy.ws is getting in on this, they need their own page and we need to
decide if that is a separate competition or not. That is, will the most
prolific on cy.ws get an e-reader AND the most prolific on en.ws gets an
e-reader OR are they competing against each other for just one e-reader.
Is it just en & cy or will Wikimedia UK support other competitions? Will
it support a Polish or Bengali competition, for example, assuming they are
running one? NB: I cannot find any administrators on cy.ws, so I don't
know whom to ask.
Thank You Adam for doing this.
Yes indeed, it was Tudor School Boy Life
As I said I gave up, and indeed I haven't visited WS since, which is why I
neither took it to the help forum, and haven't as yet replied to your
question.
Perhaps this is an unfortunate attitude on my part, but perhaps I am not
the only person to respond in this way when feeling frustrated.
Anyway, I'll have another crack at it.
all the best
Fabian
User:Leutha
> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 18:02:27 +0000
> From: Adam Morgan <wikisorcery(a)gmail.com>
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> On 9 November 2013 02:33:52, fabian <fabian(a)unpopular.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Yes I tried this . . . once. I create the DjVU file and got it onto
>> commons but then when I tried to get it on Wikisource, I discovered
>> there
>> were forbidden characters in the file name which I had not been warned
>> about before. After a bit more mucking about I gave up. All a bit
>> frustrating really.
>
>
> I've never heard of forbidden characters before, beyond the usual for all
> computers. You never did reply to my question, nor take this to the help
> forum.
>
> Assuming you mean "File:Tudorschoolboyl01vivegoog.djvu" (as another user
> suggested), I could not reproduce your error. However, while I was
> examining it, I took the time to clean it up, replace it with a better
> copy
> (I try to avoid Google scans, they are frequently extremely poor quality)
> and had it renamed, per Commons policy, to "File:Tudor School-boy Life
> (1908) by Juan Luis Vives.djvu". (NB: The translator counts for copyright
> purposes, so I changed the licence too.)
>
> There is still a small problem, Proofread Page isn't automatically
> recognising it as a DjVu file, but that can be fixed manually.
>
> If you still want to try, click the wikisource logo on the Commons page,
> create and save. (Manual fixes that would be useful: add the <pagelist />
> tag to the Pages section; change Scans to "djvu"; and change Progress to
> "To be proofread". I have no idea why it isn't doing this automatically at
> the moment.)
On 9 November 2013 02:33:52, fabian <fabian(a)unpopular.org.uk> wrote:
> Yes I tried this . . . once. I create the DjVU file and got it onto
> commons but then when I tried to get it on Wikisource, I discovered there
> were forbidden characters in the file name which I had not been warned
> about before. After a bit more mucking about I gave up. All a bit
> frustrating really.
I've never heard of forbidden characters before, beyond the usual for all
computers. You never did reply to my question, nor take this to the help
forum.
Assuming you mean "File:Tudorschoolboyl01vivegoog.djvu" (as another user
suggested), I could not reproduce your error. However, while I was
examining it, I took the time to clean it up, replace it with a better copy
(I try to avoid Google scans, they are frequently extremely poor quality)
and had it renamed, per Commons policy, to "File:Tudor School-boy Life
(1908) by Juan Luis Vives.djvu". (NB: The translator counts for copyright
purposes, so I changed the licence too.)
There is still a small problem, Proofread Page isn't automatically
recognising it as a DjVu file, but that can be fixed manually.
If you still want to try, click the wikisource logo on the Commons page,
create and save. (Manual fixes that would be useful: add the <pagelist />
tag to the Pages section; change Scans to "djvu"; and change Progress to
"To be proofread". I have no idea why it isn't doing this automatically at
the moment.)
On 9 November 2013 04:57:47, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> This is one of the areas that having a chapter employee/named
> wikisource expert help could sort out, doing this in parallel to the
> competition might be a smart approach. Any volunteer that finds this
> confusing and has a key document that would be of high value to the
> projects, could just email a link or a photocopied document (via
> freepost) to a chapter contact. Only good for a limited number of
> documents and not whole books, but a good area to offer help, or
> indeed a training event for those that need a push to learn how to DIY
> and have some projects in mind (nods to cy.ws).
>
> Creating a good djvu file (or even a pdf) is a bit of an art as with
> standard free tools it can be hard or impossible to set embedded image
> resolution etc.
My preferred three-step method is:
1) Upload it to the Internet Archive.
2) Let them deal with it.
3) Download the finished file.
That only works for page scan files (ie. JPEGs); I don't know how you would
deal with photocopies.
Someone could do that, perhaps starting with something like Dropbox for the
volunteer's scans. I turned my method into a help page on Wikisource
(Help:Internet Archive) if anyone is interested. I can't do it: I
frequently reach my bandwidth limit as it is, and may have to actually
downgrade soon.
Speaking of photocopies, many standard office Multifunction Devices (MFDs),
the modern version of an office photocopier, can easily make PDF files.
Commons/MediaWiki has a problem with more recent version of PDF, however,
but that's a separate issue. (I think Archive will convert PDFs as well as
scans, I've just never tried it.)
The actual book scanning is the hard bit. I built a temporary V-cradle out
of old cardboard boxes to do it when I tried. Lego might be a better
medium for the future. I also only have one digital camera, so I had to
turn it around and go the other way for a second pass (a professional book
scanner has two cameras, pointing at either page, so it only needs one
pass). That's too much of a spit and bailing-wire approach to really teach
anyone. (Destructive book scanning would be easier but libraries might
object.)
- Adam
> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 23:41:14 +0000
> From: Adam Morgan <wikisorcery(a)gmail.com>
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> contest for Wikisource's 10th aniversary
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(...)
> Most users would never need to actually create a DjVu themselves. I've
> tried scanning from scratch and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who
> wasn't already committed to the project. Nothing Wikisource or Wikimedia
> can do is likely to change that, however.
Yes I tried this . . . once. I create the DjVU file and got it onto
commons but then when I tried to get it on Wikisource, I discovered there
were forbidden characters in the file name which I had not been warned
about before. After a bit more mucking about I gave up. All a bit
frustrating really.
all the best
Fabian
User:Leutha
On 7 November 2013 08:00:18, Michael Peel <michael.peel at manchester.ac.uk>
wrote:
> Something that WMUK could support?
>> The contest would be from Nov 24th till Dec 1st. During that time the
>> participants would proofread a selection of books and they would get
points
>> per page. The one with the most points would win an ebook reader.
I think it might be a little too short notice to get something going.
(FYI The next similar date would be ten years of English Wikisource as its
own project, in September 2015.)
Still, if you were to do it, the Proofread of the Month model seems the
easiest.
On 8 November 2013 10:52:56, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Having 'been around' for quite a while, dabbled in Wikisource and
> lurked around its back passages, I still find it comparatively hard to
> understand. If this is to attract newcomers, then it would be nice to
> see this go hand-in-hand with improving both the guidelines on exactly
> how to proofread (there's a complex multi-stage process that could do
> with a simpler work-flow)
I've heard this before and tried to write a lot of new help pages to solve
it. I'm hampered by the fact that I don't actually find any problem with
the work-flow; it's really straight forward to me.
> and the rather convoluted underpinning process for turning a
> document/book into a djvu file, loading it on Commons and then setting
> it up as a book on Wikisource (phew).
Most users would never need to actually create a DjVu themselves. I've
tried scanning from scratch and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who
wasn't already committed to the project. Nothing Wikisource or Wikimedia
can do is likely to change that, however.
> (e.g. how do you mark up ... "this word is missing from the original"?)
That, at least, is easily solved: you don't. A missing word is shown by
missing the word. English Wikisource is about making faithful
reproductions of texts as they are. Even an occasional wikilink can be
contentious.
Anyway, to my point for these quotes:
On 8 November 2013 11:33:43, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell at
wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> But, returning to the point of this thread: proofreading Wikisource. If
> there is an appetite to take part, how would it be best organised?
Checking
> for typos and using a spellchecker seems like the simplest approach, would
> it be one which results in a significant impact?
For the same reason as above, I wouldn't recommend correcting typos with a
spellchecker as the challenge. People are likely to interpret that as
altering the original text, rather than correcting a previous user's
mistakes. That's just going to cause aggravation all round as edits get
reverted.
(To be clear, typos in the original text are left as they are, to be
preserved for all time, although they can be marked with a SIC template.)
On 8 November 2013 11:05:13, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews at
ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ProofReadPage, the MediaWiki extension that allows
> proofing via "text opposite scan", should become the USP, but needs to be
> supplemented by sound policies on annotation and translation.
I'm working on it! :)
Actually getting either annotation or translation agreed as acceptable in a
general sense was hard. Getting wikilinks allowed in any mainspace page at
all was harder that I thought it would be. I have been meaning to finish
the annotation policy after the RfC but I've been busy; fortunately it
doesn't come up much. The new Translation namespace was the solution to
allowing user translated works; the existing ones are still being migrated.
That's not important right now though.
On 8 November 2013 11:42:24, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews at
ntlworld.com> wrote:
> English Wikisource runs a "Proofread of the Month" and one model would be
> to adapt that to the needs of the competition ("all must have prizes" in
> PoTM, namely a template on your userpage). So there could be a definite
> bunch of works selected, where people proofread and validate them page by
> page.
This would be the easiest to judge and the fairest to run, as all texts
could be of equal-ish clarity. I am currently working on a Georgian era
book and it can be quite awkward. Victorian to 20th Century would be
easiest as an entry point.
On the other hand, this does require someone actually coming up with a list
of books to proofread.
That someone would need to make the list, organise everything and advertise
the challenge in the next fortnight. Multiple languages would need
multiple lists.
Nevertheless, it would be easiest to score by completed pages. Where
"page" means a page from the original book/magazine/whatever and
"completed" means fully transcribed (which would be the yellow status,
"proofread", for those who understand what I'm talking about) rather than
OCR gibberish.
It could be done. It's not as if there is any great shortage of scanned
texts available.
- Adam
On 8 November 2013 13:53:00, info at cymruwales.com <info at cymruwales.com>
wrote:
> In the next few months we will be uploading quite a few articles
> and book reviews onto cy Wikisource, As yet, no templates are in
> place for such delicacies as Proofreading etc. Any help would be
> appreciated by our small community.
I'd like to help the Wikisource that relates to the Land of My Father
(literally) but my stubborn monolingualism is getting in the way. However,
I think I can work out a few things that need to be cleaned up to get the
proofreading going.
There's only really one template you need, and it's not in the Template
namespace. Someone with admin powers needs to translate this page:-
MediaWici:Proofreadpage index template
That includes creating Welsh versions of the following categories:-
Categori:Index Validated
Categori:Index Proofread
Categori:Index Not-Proofread
Categori:Index - Ready for Match and Split
Categori:Index - Text Layer Requested
Categori:Index - File to fix
Categori:Index - Unknown progress
(The top three are the most important.)
There are similar categories for the Page namespace and at least one of
them has been translated already, although not created yet:-
Categori:Darllenwyd y proflenni
According to this:-
https://cy.wikisource.org/wiki/Arbennig:PrefixIndex/Index:
There are only two indexes on the project at the moment (a PDF and a DjVu).
Both Bibles as far as I can tell, although that isn't important. Just two
makes it hard to tell is anthing else is needed; if there is, it may have
just not come up yet.
If there is a problem with the Proofread Page software, the best person to
ask is User:Tpt on French Wikisource (he is currently the primary developer
for the extension). User:Rtdwivedi has completely rewritten the code
recently, or is still currently doing so, so she probably knows a lot too
(she's Indian but I don't know which project is the best on which to catch
her).
With my previous e-mail in mind, the project might want to decide at this
stage if they will allow things like user translation, annotation,
wikilinks etc. This page gives some idea of how different projects do
that:-
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Subdomain_coordination
I hope that's somewhere in the neighbourhood of helpful.
- Adam
Something that WMUK could support?
Thanks,
Mike
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> On the Wikisource mailing list we are discussing about a contest to
> celebrate Wikisource's 10th aniversary.
>
> The contest would be from Nov 24th till Dec 1st. During that time the
> participants would proofread a selection of books and they would get points
> per page. The one with the most points would win an ebook reader.
>
> So far WM-IT and Amical Wikimedia have comited each the prize for their
> respective contests on the Italian and Catalan Wikisource. WM-AU and WM-DC
> are considering to sponsor the English edition.
>
> If you would like to help us to organize more language editions or find
> more sponsors, get in touch.
>
> If you would like to participate, stay tuned! :)
>
> Cheers,
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> Hello everyone,
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> Wikipedia has been nominated in the Website of the Year Awards in the
> category of Education & Public Domain. It's also been nominated for best
> website overall.
>
> While these awards aren't particularly high profile, there is a nice
> reception and awards night, to which we've been offered two tickets. The
> event takes place on Monday 21 November at The Brewery, London.
>
> Last year, Andrew Gray and Tom Morris went along and had a jolly nice time
> by all accounts. I'd like to again offer the two tickets to volunteers so,
> if you're interested, please do let me know and we'll get it sorted.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Stevie
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Hello everyone,
Wikipedia has been nominated in the Website of the Year Awards in the
category of Education & Public Domain. It's also been nominated for best
website overall.
While these awards aren't particularly high profile, there is a nice
reception and awards night, to which we've been offered two tickets. The
event takes place on Monday 21 November at The Brewery, London.
Last year, Andrew Gray and Tom Morris went along and had a jolly nice time
by all accounts. I'd like to again offer the two tickets to volunteers so,
if you're interested, please do let me know and we'll get it sorted.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
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Communications Organiser
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173
@StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
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*The below email was sent by the Laboratory of Molecular Biology in
Cambridge. I'm pleases to be able to share the details of the event with
you.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On *Monday 25th November 2013*, the Laboratory of Molecular Biology (LMB)
will be hosting a Women in Science Wikipedia Edit-a-thon in Cambridge - the
latest in a series of such events to celebrate the MRC’s Centenary.
*Would you like to learn how to edit Wikipedia? *
*Would you like to help improve the Wikipedia articles of your scientific
heroines?*
*Would you like to join the debate on women’s experiences in science and
how under-representation of women can be tackled?*
If so, this is the event for you!
There are 20 places available at the Wikipedia Edit-a-thon workshop (10.30
am - 6.00 pm) where participants will be taught how to edit Wikipedia and
will have access to resources from the MRC, the Royal Society, the Wellcome
Collection and the LMB in order to create and improve articles about
MRC-funded and other female scientists. The workshop is open to people who
are new to Wikipedia as well as experienced Wikipedia editors.
There are 200 places available for the Women in Science panel discussion
(1.00 - 2.30 pm), led by Mariann Bienz FRS from the LMB and Nicola Hannam
from the Science Council. Come along to discuss how women can be better
represented in science and hear how eminent female scientists' careers have
flourished.
Tea and cake will be served after the discussion.
Attendance is free, but booking through EventBrite is essential:
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Judging by previous events, places will go quickly!
Any editors who would like to join in remotely should register online at
the Wikipedia event page below and can communicate with the LMB editors via
twitter: @wikimediauk, #WISWIKI.
Please forward this email on to others who may be interested in attending
and display the attached poster, if possible.
For more information:
LMB News story: http://mrc.io/1h8aJ3W
Wikipedia event page:
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This event is a collaboration between Wikimedia UK, the Medical Research
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