Wikimediauk-l October 2009

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Fwd: David Terrar invited you to the event "London Wiki Wednesday - October"...
by David Gerard 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

Just received on Facebook. This is TOMORROW. I probably won't be there, but I suspect some of you would like to be. Date: Wednesday, 07 October 2009 Time: 18:45 - 22:00 Location: NYK Line Street: 17th Floor, CityPoint, 1 Ropemaker Str Town/City: London, United Kingdom http://www.socialtext.net/wikiwed/index.cgi?london_wikiwed_7_october_2009 http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=163534578912 They still need someone to bring/pay for beer and wine! - d. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Facebook <notification+oj92j449(a)facebookmail.com> Date: 2009/10/6 Subject: David Terrar invited you to the event "London Wiki Wednesday - October"... To: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> David invited you to "London Wiki Wednesday - October" tomorrow. David says, "Vey late notice, but the hardcore of London Wiki Wedenesday fans and fanatics will be assembling tomorrow evening to rekindl the flame of the fmaous London wiki meetup. No sponsor tomorrow, but hoiepfully next time. We'd love to see you!". Event: London Wiki Wednesday - October "sharing wiki and enterprise 2.0 experience" What: Business Meeting Start Time: Tomorrow, 07 October at 18:45 End Time: Tomorrow, 07 October at 22:00 Where: NYK Line To see more details and RSVP, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.php&eid=163534578912&mid=1357765G211cb354G… Thanks, The Facebook Team

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Notes from the C&binet Forum
by geni 31 Oct '09

31 Oct '09

2009/10/31 Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>: > At 20:05 +0000 27/10/09, Michael Peel wrote: >>On 27 Oct 2009, at 17:10, Andrew Turvey wrote: >> >>> - Lord Mandelson's keynote at 9:40 tomorrow is billed to include a >>> "big announcment" - possibly draft legislation on copyright >>> enforcement. >> >>The BBC have an article about this: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8328820.stm >> >>Mike > > > And I heard that so called "net pirates" are now flocking to sites > that disguise their IP address. > > Gordo > > Well yes they were never the brightest sort. Using a site that can log your every activity online is not so smart. It also won't have much of an impact on some forms of ISP level tracking. -- geni

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Notes from the C&binet Forum
by Andrew Turvey 31 Oct '09

31 Oct '09

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my earlier email - the comments were all very helpful to forming my thoughts prior to the conference. We're half way through at the moment and I thought it may be interesting to our supporters to hear some thoughts from the c&binet conference. The main output for me personally has been to improve the presentation we're putting together for the "Workplace Learning Lunches" seminar programmes - things like seeing attribution as a form of soft advertising and saying new forces are shaping business and they shouldn't be left behind. Understanding the corporate context is important to effectively link into that. More on that later, when we finish the draft, which I'll share with everyone and would appreciate everyone's comments. The other output has been in the people I've met. Particularly interesting was a conversation I had with the CEO of a leading UK technology infrastructure company, which has over 4,000 employees. They have implemented wikis on their intranet to capture employee suggestions, and have seen an enormous increase in take up over the past year. He's invited us to come and visit the company and see it working in action, and I very much look forward to taking him up on this offer, and possibly including the example in the seminars. Other interesting people include Joscelyn Upendran who works for Creative Commons and a young entrepreneur developing a user-generated search machine (wikia anyone?) I had an opportunity to ask a question during a "free content" session - which was more about "freemium" (free to paid) content - which hopefully planted the seed in the mind of people to hink about Wikimedia communities when looking at this. Other snippets: - Lord Mandelson's keynote at 9:40 tomorrow is billed to include a "big announcment" - possibly draft legislation on copyright enforcement . - Lots of talk from big business interests saying there is a "narrow legislative window of opportunity" at the moment (i.e. before the next general election) - David Lammy, the minister pushing through copyright reform, gave an excellent speech, very insightful and understanding of issues. Quote of the day from him: "Good artists copy, great artists steal". Either a very talented person or he has an excellent speechwriter! - For a "creative" conference focussing on new technologies it was remarkably lacking in opportunities for delegates to participate in asking questions etc - format is largely a panel discussing the issue among themselves. - SIon Simon, another politician present, mentioned that the copyright debate is highly polarised between the industry and free copyright advocates, both sides are deaf to the other and they need to engage. Despite this the discussions on copyright have been largely one sided, unbalanced, with some fairly extreme language used - "copyright warriors", "green ink brigade". "a generation of stealing" etc. - A few facts to promote donations to WMUK: "London is a leading creative hub of the world" (EU Commission Director General), "120,000 books published in UK every year", "creative industries comprise 6% of the economy" (largest % in the world), "creative industries larger than carmaking" - David Rowan (WiredUK): "Government should free data - postcodes, ordinance survey" - "obscurity for some artists is a bigger challenge than piracy" - "we need a new settlement to liberate archived rights" - "we should have extended collective licensing" - "businesses spend huge effort in clearing licenses - need more effective ways of clearing large numbers of rights holders" - "copyright switches should be turned to "on" by default rather than "off"" - "working on a new digital license to allow museums to publish in-copyright articles" - "free to air TV can survive, but only if it reduces its costs base" (creative commons / user generated content anyone?) - "licensing details should be included in the metadata" Comments, as always, appreciated. Regards Andrew "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > From: "Andrew Turvey" <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com> > To: "WMUK-L" <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Sent: Monday, 19 October, 2009 23:58:37 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal > Subject: C&binet Forum > > We've been invited to go along to a conference next week organized by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport on "creative industries". Although we made it clear to them that we are not-for-profit and a lot of the programme is not particularly relevant, they were very keen to get us to go along, even to the extent of giving us a free ticket. > > The website is at http://www.cabinetforum.org and the agenda is: > > * Access to finance for creative industries: What do creative businesses need to do to attract investment and demonstrate reliability of future cash flow? How do you tackle the lack of understanding between investors and creative > * New business models for online content: How can a viable business be made out of online content without relying on advertising? > * Developing Talent: What can be done to create opportunities for the next generation of creative talent? How can creative businesses make sure tomorrow’s employees have the right skills to thrive? > * Securing creative rights: How best to ensure that those who generate and fund creative product are able to secure its value? Both regulatory and non-regulatory methods will be examined. > > Some of these things are clearly not relevant for us but some - "securing creative rights" and "new business models" - are issues that we may wish to have input into. There are also likely to be some big hitters there who we would be interested in partnering with in the future, including senior people from companies like Spotify, BBC Vision and Wired UK. Peter Mandelson is a keynote speaker, which could be an important opportunity to put the case for public domain to a key decision maker. > > My question: what should I focus on at this conference and what should I aim to get out of it? > > Any thoughts appreciated. > > Andrew >

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Notes from the C&binet Forum
by Andrew Turvey 27 Oct '09

27 Oct '09

Sorry - just to clarify - the "extreme language" I quoted was NOT from Sion Simon, they were from the industry representatives who were talking on a different panel. ----- "Brian McNeil" <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote: > From: "Brian McNeil" <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> > To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Tuesday, 27 October, 2009 17:56:31 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Notes from the C&binet Forum > > On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 17:10 +0000, Andrew Turvey wrote: > - SIon Simon, another politician present, mentioned that the copyright > debate is highly polarised between the industry and free copyright > advocates, both sides are deaf to the other and they need to engage. > Despite this the discussions on copyright have been largely one sided, > unbalanced, with some fairly extreme language used - "copyright > warriors", "green ink brigade". "a generation of stealing" etc. That's a complete and utter misrepresentation of the other side. It's a random representation from some file-sharer or other. He has obviously made absolutely any effort to talk to the other side. If you get the chance, suggest he talk to Richard Stallman, in fact, urge him to do so. I've been following the Pirate Party mailing list the past few days. They don't want the abolition of copyright; they've read what RMS has to say on the topic, and their interest is more in seeing a complete reevaluation of copyright in the context of it being a social contract. Not just rights granted to a copyright holder by society, but responsibilities that come with them - like not just letting things enter the public domain when copyright expires, put actually taking the time to put them out there, freely available. Creative works are, collectively, our cultural heritage; with regard to music, the vast majority creating it see little to no financial reward for doing so. The 'industry', on the other hand, has a long and shameful history of assuming they have a right to be paid over and over and over again for exactly the same piece of work. -- Brian McNeil Wikinewsie.org

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Next board meeting: this evening, with a different format
by Michael Peel 21 Oct '09

21 Oct '09

Hi all, The next board meeting is this evening: Tuesday 20 October 2009, 8.30-10.30pm BST. The agenda is at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009-10-20/Agenda Following from a conversation at the in-person board meeting, we'll be trying something different this meeting to try to optimize the use of the meeting time. The first hour of the meeting, 8.30-9.30pm, will be held by Skype conference. This part of the meeting will be discussions, not decisions, and will essentially be focused on making sure that all of the board members are on the same page, and to identify issues that need resolution or deciding upon. Due to technical limitations, it won't be possible to have this part of the meeting open to the public. The second hour of the meeting, 9.30-10.30pm, will be held on IRC as usual. This part will focus on decision-making, as well as asking for your views. This will be held as usual in the #wikimedia-uk-board channel on irc.freenode.net, with discussion in #wikimedia-uk , and everyone is more than welcome to attend. If you don't have an IRC client, then you can connect using http://webchat.freenode.net/ . Hopefully with this new format, board meetings will become more efficient - both of board member's time, and also of your time during the second half. This is a trial - we may find that it doesn't work, and return to holding all of the meeting via IRC. I would welcome suggestions both on tweaks to this new format, and also on alternative ways of holding these meetings Thanks, Mike Peel

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3D scanning
by geni 21 Oct '09

21 Oct '09

Anyone know anything about this? http://southdownsliving.blogspot.com/2009/10/3d-wikipedia-of-art.html If not I'll do some more digging and put together an email that can be sent off to them. -- geni

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What should we spend our money on?
by Andrew Turvey 21 Oct '09

21 Oct '09

The 2009 Annual Wikimedia Fundraiser is just round the corner and we need to crystallize the list of items that we will use our income for so that we can encourage people to donate. I've done a first draft at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2009_Winter_Fundraiser#Use_of_funds - please could you take a look and edit away! What would inspire you to donate? Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] C&binet Forum
by paul reynolds 21 Oct '09

21 Oct '09

I was at the Aus GLAM wiki event and foubd the Wikimedia aus people stimulating and and an egageing. I joined this list hoping for more of the same. Especially as the whole way in which wikimedia can engage with big new debates on open acceess , public space , public private etc is up for bebate , not just in the UK but also elsewhere And all I have in the last post is offensive bollocks. THis is way way disappointing Paul reynolds On 10/21/09, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Can you get him to meet some famous musicians? Childhood TV stars >> perhaps? No? Your opinion means approx diddly squat then. > > I was under no illusions that Peter Mandelson would drop to his knees > and suck my cock for making hitherto unthought of ideas available to > him. > > Since when did it become list policy that one should only post > opinions that Peter Mandelson would subscribe to? I mean, I wouldn't > put it past the Labour government to bring this in under a new > communications act, but I think until they do you might be rather more > circumspect with your diddles and, indeed, squats. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- Sent from my mobile device paul reynolds mcgovern online web : www.mcgovern.co.nz blog : www.peoplepoints.co.nz twitter: www.twitter.com/littlehigh cell 1 : +64 [0] 21 850 824 cell 2: +64 [0] 27 263 2421 land: +64 9 3073435

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C&binet Forum
by Andrew Turvey 20 Oct '09

20 Oct '09

We've been invited to go along to a conference next week organized by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport on "creative industries". Although we made it clear to them that we are not-for-profit and a lot of the programme is not particularly relevant, they were very keen to get us to go along, even to the extent of giving us a free ticket. The website is at http://www.cabinetforum.org and the agenda is: * Access to finance for creative industries: What do creative businesses need to do to attract investment and demonstrate reliability of future cash flow? How do you tackle the lack of understanding between investors and creative * New business models for online content: How can a viable business be made out of online content without relying on advertising? * Developing Talent: What can be done to create opportunities for the next generation of creative talent? How can creative businesses make sure tomorrow’s employees have the right skills to thrive? * Securing creative rights: How best to ensure that those who generate and fund creative product are able to secure its value? Both regulatory and non-regulatory methods will be examined. Some of these things are clearly not relevant for us but some - "securing creative rights" and "new business models" - are issues that we may wish to have input into. There are also likely to be some big hitters there who we would be interested in partnering with in the future, including senior people from companies like Spotify, BBC Vision and Wired UK. Peter Mandelson is a keynote speaker, which could be an important opportunity to put the case for public domain to a key decision maker. My question: what should I focus on at this conference and what should I aim to get out of it? Any thoughts appreciated. Andrew

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Cambridge meetup 14 November
by Charles Matthews 18 Oct '09

18 Oct '09

Page is up at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 5]]. The meetups are falling into a more standard pattern, every three months or so. I decided I'd make this the occasion for getting more up-to-date with our publicity. I have requested a Geonotice, for one thing. And subscribed to this list, for another. I thought it wouldn't harm to see what others thought was good practice for running such a meetup, simply on the basis of letting people know who might be interested. Charles

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