Wikimediauk-l September 2008

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)
by Christopher Wood (Student) 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

I saw this too and was in the middle of an email to MaxSem asking why Scribblewiki was a sock. Looking through what Alsion has said on en.wiki looks like it was an unlawful checkuser block anyway. Just because someone uses the same IP doesn't make them the same user as someone else. There contribs are totally different. C -----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael Peel Sent: 17 September 2008 09:27 To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r) All, [[meta:User:MaxSem]] has removed [[meta:User:ScribblewikiLover]] from the list of board candidates, saying "rm troll". On ScribblewikiLover's talk page he says that "This user is blocked because he is a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of [[:en:User:Chris19910]] and had a few socks blocked on Meta." I don't know what to say to this... Does anyone know anything more about this apparent saga? (presumably he was checkuser'd for a reason?) Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

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Voters
by Andrew Turvey 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

> Michael Peel email at mikepeel.net said: > Tue Sep 16 18:36:53 UTC 2008 > ________________________________ > > How about we set the 19th September as the deadline for guarantor > members and supporters that can vote? I say that date because it is > the day before voting starts, according to the current timetable. > > Mike I'd support this - it gives people a chance to make sure their name is on the list without leaving the system open to abuse. Andrew

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voters
by Andrew Turvey 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

Michael Peel email at mikepeel.net said: Tue Sep 16 18:36:53 UTC 2008 ________________________________ How about we set the 19th September as the deadline for guarantor members and supporters that can vote? I say that date because it is the day before voting starts, according to the current timetable. Mike I'd support this - it gives people a last Andrew Turvey Director Andrew Turvey Solutions Limited Registered Office: 23 Cartwright Way, Beeston, Nottingham NG9 1RL Registered in England, Registration Number 5596974 Information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. Unauthorised copying, forwarding or other use of any confidential information in this email may result in legal action.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)
by Chris Wood 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

I agree Tom. I even though there is the potential of having votes fraudulently being cast. I personally dont think that they should be removed for using sock puppets on another project but we should make it clear in the terms of being a candidate that you should not be blocked on any other project or have sock puppets even though this is a widely known policy of no sockpuppets we should make it clear in the rules to avoid any un-necessary legal threats or summonds. Chris > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:25:04 +0100 > From: thomas.holden(a)gmail.com > To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r) > > I would be very very wary about removing people from the list even if > you have definite proof that they've committed some rather more > heinous sin than using a sock. If that's an issue that should > disqualify people from standing, we have to trust that the voters will > have the sense to realise this. (Obviously we want to take reasonable > precautions against both a user and their sock voting, but that's a > different issue entirely.) > > Tom > > 2008/9/17 Chris Wood <hot20024(a)hotmail.com>: > > Further more to the conversation > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AScribblewikiLover&dif… > > is what Alison said and makes interesting reading. > > > > > > > >> From: email(a)mikepeel.net > >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:27:33 +0100 > >> To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r) > >> > >> Could you provide a link to "what Alsion has said on en.wiki"? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mike > >> > >> On 17 Sep 2008, at 09:36, Christopher Wood ((Student)) wrote: > >> > >> > I saw this too and was in the middle of an email to MaxSem asking why > >> > Scribblewiki was a sock. Looking through what Alsion has said on > >> > en.wiki > >> > looks like it was an unlawful checkuser block anyway. Just because > >> > someone uses the same IP doesn't make them the same user as someone > >> > else. There contribs are totally different. > >> > > >> > C > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of > >> > Michael > >> > Peel > >> > Sent: 17 September 2008 09:27 > >> > To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r) > >> > > >> > All, > >> > > >> > [[meta:User:MaxSem]] has removed [[meta:User:ScribblewikiLover]] from > >> > the list of board candidates, saying "rm troll". On > >> > ScribblewikiLover's talk page he says that "This user is blocked > >> > because he is a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of > >> > [[:en:User:Chris19910]] and had a few socks blocked on Meta." > >> > > >> > I don't know what to say to this... Does anyone know anything more > >> > about this apparent saga? (presumably he was checkuser'd for a > >> > reason?) > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > > > ________________________________ > > Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l _________________________________________________________________ Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/

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Quiet in here....
by Gordon Joly 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

Quiet in here, and I was looking at the posting rates for this list over the past year or two.... Gordo -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.joly(a)pobox.com///

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nominated candidates
by Andrew Turvey 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Dear Election Committee, I note that the following people have been listed as candidates whose nominations were received before the close: 1. Tango 2. Cfp 3. Skenmy 4. KTC 5. Kate 6. Mike Peel 7. Cormaggio 8. Warofdreams 9. Andrew Turvey 10. ScribblewikiLoverCan you please make a statement about what you intend to do regarding those candidates who have not signed the declaration (3 people) and those who have not stated their full name (3 people). Thanks Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] nominated candidates
by Christopher Wood (Student) 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

I managed to get hold of User:ScribblewikiLover and get him to write on his statement hopefully. Even though I probably wouldn't vote for someone who hasn't even declared to the terms of being a candidate. Chris -----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ross Gardler Sent: 14 September 2008 20:41 To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] nominated candidates Andrew Turvey wrote: > After some cursory digging, only ScribblewikiLover's real name is not readily available. Thank you for your digging. I'd like to make a comment about the need for someone to do this. Before doing so, please let me stress that I am speaking froma *purely personal perspective* (i.e. I'm not suggesting others should necessarily follow my lead on this). I make the comment for the benefit of potential board members who may think my position is reasonable and therefore might want to take action. I am unlikley to vote in favour of someone who does not clearly identify who they are (in real life) as I want to do some background checking on individuals experience. I am unlikely to vote in favour of someone who can't follow the simple requirements placed on nominees in the wiki page. I am unlikely to vote in favour of someone who has not provided a clear statement as to why I should vote for them. Ross _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] nominated candidates
by Andrew Turvey 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

The real name of all Trustees will be publically available from the Charity Commission website (see for instance http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showtrustees.asp?C…) and from Companies House for payment of £1. Incidentally the latter will also show up your date of birth, residential address and other directorships. Wikimedia UK could, however, decide whether the wikimedia username corresponding to that individual is publically disclosed - it's currently asked as a "voluntary question". After some cursory digging, only ScribblewikiLover's real name is not readily available. In terms of the cross-tabulation, this is what I've come up with: 1. Tango (Thomas Michael Dalton per candidate questions) (I presume the same as "Thomas Dalton" from this list) 2. Cfp (Tom Holden per http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cfp) (I presume Tom Holden from this list) 3. Skenmy (Paul Roy Williams per candidate qs) (I presume Paul Williams from this list) 4. KTC (Kwan Ting Chan per candidate statements) (I presume Kwan Ting Chan from this list) 5. Kate (River Tarnell per candidate statements) (I presume River Tarnell from this list) 6. Mike Peel (Mike Peel per http://mikepeel.net/site/Main_Page) (I presume Michael Peel from this list) 7. Cormaggio (Cormac Lawler per http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio) * 8. Warofdreams (Michael Conn per candidate qs) 9. AndrewRT (Andrew Turvey per candidate qs) (Andrew Turvey from this list) 10. ScribblewikiLover (name not known) * * indicates hasn't signed the declaration. Numbers are only now 1 no-name and 2 no-declaration. Andrew ----- Original Message ---- > From: Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111(a)gmail.com> > To: Andrew Turvey <raturvey(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: geniice(a)gmail.com; life_is_bitter_sweet(a)hotmail.co.uk; wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Sunday, 14 September, 2008 19:20:34 > Subject: Re: nominated candidates > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Turvey wrote: > > Dear Election Committee, > > > > I note that the following people have been listed as candidates whose > nominations were received before the close: > > > > > > 1. Tango > > 2. Cfp > > 3. Skenmy > > 4. KTC > > 5. Kate > > 6. Mike Peel > > 7. Cormaggio > > 8. Warofdreams > > 9. Andrew Turvey > > 10. ScribblewikiLoverCan you please make a statement about what you > intend to do regarding those candidates who have not signed the declaration (3 > people) and those who have not stated their full name (3 people). > > Do we have any kind of indication as to who these usernames correspond > to? On the mailing list, for instance, most people use either > different nicknames or they use their real names. I would like, if > only for my personal use, some sort of list to correlate between the > two. In WMUK2.0, what is the policy on making public the real names of > board members? > > --Andrew Whitworth

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Board Of Directors
by Thomas Dalton 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

> There is also the case of having a CCJ and not knowing about it! How did that happen? Did someone not have an up-to-date address? If people don't know they have terrible credit then we could have a problem!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CRB checks
by Thomas Dalton 13 Sep '08

13 Sep '08

>>So how would you choose which applications to accept? >> > > First come, first served? So only people around now can be involved in the chapter? That seems like a really bad idea... if you want to keep the chapter running for a long time you need a constant influx of new people.

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