I saw this too and was in the middle of an email to MaxSem asking why
Scribblewiki was a sock. Looking through what Alsion has said on en.wiki
looks like it was an unlawful checkuser block anyway. Just because
someone uses the same IP doesn't make them the same user as someone
else. There contribs are totally different.
C
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Sent: 17 September 2008 09:27
To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)
All,
[[meta:User:MaxSem]] has removed [[meta:User:ScribblewikiLover]] from
the list of board candidates, saying "rm troll". On
ScribblewikiLover's talk page he says that "This user is blocked
because he is a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of
[[:en:User:Chris19910]] and had a few socks blocked on Meta."
I don't know what to say to this... Does anyone know anything more
about this apparent saga? (presumably he was checkuser'd for a reason?)
Mike
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> Michael Peel email at mikepeel.net said:
> Tue Sep 16 18:36:53 UTC 2008
> ________________________________
>
> How about we set the 19th September as the deadline for guarantor
> members and supporters that can vote? I say that date because it is
> the day before voting starts, according to the current timetable.
>
> Mike
I'd support this - it gives people a chance to make sure their name is on the list without leaving the system open to abuse.
Andrew
Michael Peel email at mikepeel.net said:
Tue Sep 16 18:36:53 UTC 2008
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How about we set the 19th September as the deadline for guarantor
members and supporters that can vote? I say that date because it is
the day before voting starts, according to the current timetable.
Mike
I'd support this - it gives people a last
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I agree Tom. I even though there is the potential of having votes fraudulently being cast. I personally dont think that they should be removed for using sock puppets on another project but we should make it clear in the terms of being a candidate that you should not be blocked on any other project or have sock puppets even though this is a widely known policy of no sockpuppets we should make it clear in the rules to avoid any un-necessary legal threats or summonds.
Chris
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:25:04 +0100
> From: thomas.holden(a)gmail.com
> To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)
>
> I would be very very wary about removing people from the list even if
> you have definite proof that they've committed some rather more
> heinous sin than using a sock. If that's an issue that should
> disqualify people from standing, we have to trust that the voters will
> have the sense to realise this. (Obviously we want to take reasonable
> precautions against both a user and their sock voting, but that's a
> different issue entirely.)
>
> Tom
>
> 2008/9/17 Chris Wood <hot20024(a)hotmail.com>:
> > Further more to the conversation
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AScribblewikiLover&dif…
> > is what Alison said and makes interesting reading.
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: email(a)mikepeel.net
> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:27:33 +0100
> >> To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)
> >>
> >> Could you provide a link to "what Alsion has said on en.wiki"?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On 17 Sep 2008, at 09:36, Christopher Wood ((Student)) wrote:
> >>
> >> > I saw this too and was in the middle of an email to MaxSem asking why
> >> > Scribblewiki was a sock. Looking through what Alsion has said on
> >> > en.wiki
> >> > looks like it was an unlawful checkuser block anyway. Just because
> >> > someone uses the same IP doesn't make them the same user as someone
> >> > else. There contribs are totally different.
> >> >
> >> > C
> >> >
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> >> > From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
> >> > Michael
> >> > Peel
> >> > Sent: 17 September 2008 09:27
> >> > To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] ScribblewikiLove(r)
> >> >
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > [[meta:User:MaxSem]] has removed [[meta:User:ScribblewikiLover]] from
> >> > the list of board candidates, saying "rm troll". On
> >> > ScribblewikiLover's talk page he says that "This user is blocked
> >> > because he is a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of
> >> > [[:en:User:Chris19910]] and had a few socks blocked on Meta."
> >> >
> >> > I don't know what to say to this... Does anyone know anything more
> >> > about this apparent saga? (presumably he was checkuser'd for a
> >> > reason?)
> >> >
> >> > Mike
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Dear Election Committee,
I note that the following people have been listed as candidates whose nominations were received before the close:
1. Tango
2. Cfp
3. Skenmy
4. KTC
5. Kate
6. Mike Peel
7. Cormaggio
8. Warofdreams
9. Andrew Turvey
10. ScribblewikiLoverCan you please make a statement about what you intend to do regarding those candidates who have not signed the declaration (3 people) and those who have not stated their full name (3 people).
Thanks
Andrew
I managed to get hold of User:ScribblewikiLover and get him to write on
his statement hopefully. Even though I probably wouldn't vote for
someone who hasn't even declared to the terms of being a candidate.
Chris
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[mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ross
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Sent: 14 September 2008 20:41
To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] nominated candidates
Andrew Turvey wrote:
> After some cursory digging, only ScribblewikiLover's real name is not
readily available.
Thank you for your digging.
I'd like to make a comment about the need for someone to do this. Before
doing so, please let me stress that I am speaking froma *purely personal
perspective* (i.e. I'm not suggesting others should necessarily follow
my lead on this). I make the comment for the benefit of potential board
members who may think my position is reasonable and therefore might want
to take action.
I am unlikley to vote in favour of someone who does not clearly identify
who they are (in real life) as I want to do some background checking on
individuals experience.
I am unlikely to vote in favour of someone who can't follow the simple
requirements placed on nominees in the wiki page.
I am unlikely to vote in favour of someone who has not provided a clear
statement as to why I should vote for them.
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The real name of all Trustees will be publically available from the Charity Commission website (see for instance http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showtrustees.asp?C…) and from Companies House for payment of £1. Incidentally the latter will also show up your date of birth, residential address and other directorships. Wikimedia UK could, however, decide whether the wikimedia username corresponding to that individual is publically disclosed - it's currently asked as a "voluntary question".
After some cursory digging, only ScribblewikiLover's real name is not readily available.
In terms of the cross-tabulation, this is what I've come up with:
1. Tango (Thomas Michael Dalton per candidate questions) (I presume the same as "Thomas Dalton" from this list)
2. Cfp (Tom Holden per http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cfp) (I presume Tom Holden
from this list)
3. Skenmy (Paul Roy Williams per candidate qs) (I presume Paul Williams
from this list)
4. KTC (Kwan Ting Chan per candidate statements) (I presume Kwan Ting Chan
from this list)
5. Kate (River Tarnell per candidate statements) (I presume River Tarnell
from this list)
6. Mike Peel (Mike Peel per http://mikepeel.net/site/Main_Page) (I presume Michael Peel from this list)
7. Cormaggio (Cormac Lawler per http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio) *
8. Warofdreams (Michael Conn per candidate qs)
9. AndrewRT (Andrew Turvey per candidate qs) (Andrew Turvey from this list)
10. ScribblewikiLover (name not known) *
* indicates hasn't signed the declaration.
Numbers are only now 1 no-name and 2 no-declaration.
Andrew
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> From: Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111(a)gmail.com>
> To: Andrew Turvey <raturvey(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: geniice(a)gmail.com; life_is_bitter_sweet(a)hotmail.co.uk; wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Sent: Sunday, 14 September, 2008 19:20:34
> Subject: Re: nominated candidates
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Turvey wrote:
> > Dear Election Committee,
> >
> > I note that the following people have been listed as candidates whose
> nominations were received before the close:
> >
> >
> > 1. Tango
> > 2. Cfp
> > 3. Skenmy
> > 4. KTC
> > 5. Kate
> > 6. Mike Peel
> > 7. Cormaggio
> > 8. Warofdreams
> > 9. Andrew Turvey
> > 10. ScribblewikiLoverCan you please make a statement about what you
> intend to do regarding those candidates who have not signed the declaration (3
> people) and those who have not stated their full name (3 people).
>
> Do we have any kind of indication as to who these usernames correspond
> to? On the mailing list, for instance, most people use either
> different nicknames or they use their real names. I would like, if
> only for my personal use, some sort of list to correlate between the
> two. In WMUK2.0, what is the policy on making public the real names of
> board members?
>
> --Andrew Whitworth
> There is also the case of having a CCJ and not knowing about it!
How did that happen? Did someone not have an up-to-date address? If
people don't know they have terrible credit then we could have a
problem!
>>So how would you choose which applications to accept?
>>
>
> First come, first served?
So only people around now can be involved in the chapter? That seems
like a really bad idea... if you want to keep the chapter running for
a long time you need a constant influx of new people.