Minutes of last night's board meeting are now on-line at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2008-11-18
Good news keeps coming, as you will see that ChapCom have passed a
resolution to support us becoming a chapter of Wikimedia! This does
not yet give us chapter status, as the board of the Wikimedia
Foundation must decide on this, and their next meeting is from
9th-11th January.
Best Wishes
Mickey
Minutes of the latest board meeting are now on-line at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2008-11-10
Among other items, you will find the very exciting news that Wiki UK
Ltd is now an officially registered company!
The board are also preparing a monthly newsletter to keep everyone in
touch. If you would be able to help by translating a brief summary of
the newsletter into any language spoken in the UK, please contact me.
Best Wishes
Mickey
This is a reminder that the next board meeting of Wiki UK Ltd. will be
held on IRC tonight at 8:30pm GMT.
Agenda can be found at the usual place -
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2008-11-10/…>.
Regards,
KTC
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Can I respond to two points from the different threads:
Andrew Whitworth said:
> Are you worried that ChapCom is moving too slowly, or that the chapter
is moving too quickly?
When we originally drew up the timetable, we hoped that we could send our constitution documents to ChapCom and they could confirm to us within a week whether they were happy or if not, what changes they wanted. Following that we would submit the documents to the UK Companies House to be incorporated. In the event it seems this was a bit too optimistic.
We sent them our Mem+Arts on 16th October. On 27th October we met to sign the documents. The only response we had received by then from ChapCom was two questions that Andrew Whitworth passed on to us which we answered in an email. The Board decided to go ahead with incorporation and just revise the constitution by a Special Resolution if ChapCom wanted changes.
The next steps we have planned are to apply to open a bank account and then to accept members. The problem we have is that the longer the response is delayed, the more problematic it becomes to revise the documents if ChapCom wants this. Prior to incorporation, all we had to do was edit the meta. Now, we would have to organise a General Meeting of the five existing Board Members, pass a resolution and post a copy to Companies House. Not too much of a problem but wed have about five forms to fill in.
If we start to open a bank account and then have to change, we would have to send them a copy to, and possibly explain why.
If we start to admit members, that would mean the resolution would have to be passed at the first AGM again not a problem but more forms to fill in and it would delay the process
If we are already approved by the Charity Commission, wed have to get their approval first which would mean lots of delays and forms to fill in.
So all in all, the quicker we can get a response from ChapCom the less work we will have to do in response. More generally, it would be very useful if we were given some idea of the timescale that things were working to, will it be a few days, a few weeks or a few months? That way we could plan better.
Michael Bimmler said:
>Hi,
>referring to a point in the minutes:
>"Wikimedia trademark negotiation: AT e-mailed ChapCom but has not yet
>received a response."
>I do not remember the very question now....
Thanks very much for this response that clarifies matters quite a lot for us. The origin of this comment is that when the timetable was put together we had two stages: 1: ChapCom approves Mem+Arts; 2: WMG signs contract with us to permit use of trademark.
The email I sent was actually to PrivateMusings who offered to help on this list and his reply, which I since received says essentially the same as you said. We havent looked at the standard Chapters Agreement but I imagine this will be sufficient for this.
Regards,
Andrew
trying again, it's not able to cc ChapCom on this, as one is a private list
and the other one a public list...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Bimmler <mbimmler(a)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Minutes of the Wikimedia UK v2.0 Board Meeting,
04/11/2008
To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: Chapters Committee list <chaptercommittee-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, Mike
Godwin <mgodwin(a)wikimedia.org>
Hi,
referring to a point in the minutes:
"Wikimedia trademark negotiation: AT e-mailed ChapCom but has not yet
received a response."
I do not remember the very question now, but in any case, questions re
trademark use/agreements would rather not go through ChapCom but probably
through Mike Godwin (I am honestly unsure who deals with this now at WMF, as
Delphine is no longer Chapters Coordinator).
If this concerns the trademark use in general when you're a chapter and
onwards: No doubt you will very soon after approval be invited by the WMF to
sign the standard Chapters Agreement which includes clauses to enable the
chapter to use the trademarks. I do not really see where "negotiation" comes
into the game, because the chapters agreement is a standard agreement for
all chapters, but if WmUK proposes changes to the standard agreement, this
is surely a matter to be dealt with primarily between the foundation's
General Counsel, whom I'm copying, and the Wikimedia UK board. ChapCom is
certainly glad to give input if deemed appropriate, but if these are
specific UK-related amendments of a mere legal nature, I do not see what we
can do.
If this concerns trademark use in the interval between chapter approval and
entering into force of the chapters agreement, I invite Wikimedia UK's board
to write to the WMF's General Counsel to discuss this, in case a formal
permission to use the trademark is necessary, e.g. for any filings with
authorities.
I hope this does somewhat answer the point - if I missed the question
completely, I would appreciate a short restatement of the question, for I
have not been able to find the question in a short research of my inbox, and
sadly the search process of the list archivals is broken, the index having
been updated last in January.
Michael
2008/11/5 Mickey Conn <mickey.conn(a)gmail.com>
Hi -
>
> Minutes of the latest board meeting are now on-line at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2008-11-04
>
> Please take a look, and feel free to comment.
>
> Best Wishes
> Mickey Conn
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I didn't think that was legal... Does 3 thirds count as a single pint
for licensing laws?
2008/11/4 Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>:
>
>
> The second Sunday in the month approaches...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_15
>
> LONDON WIKIPEDIA MEETUP NUMBER 15
> Date and time: Sunday 9th November - 13:00
> Location: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1
>
>
> Same venue as usual, with added bonus of an ongoing beer festival,
> where you can but three thirds of a pint for the price of a single
> festival pint!
>
> http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/
>
> I have considered buy thirds (for a cheap round)....
>
> :-)
>
> Gordo
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The second Sunday in the month approaches...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_15
LONDON WIKIPEDIA MEETUP NUMBER 15
Date and time: Sunday 9th November - 13:00
Location: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1
Same venue as usual, with added bonus of an ongoing beer festival,
where you can but three thirds of a pint for the price of a single
festival pint!
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/
I have considered buy thirds (for a cheap round)....
:-)
Gordo
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gordon.joly(a)pobox.com///
Just the usual reminder that the next board meeting of the proposed new
UK chapter will be held tonight at 8:30pm BST/UTC.
Agenda can be found at the usual place -
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2008-11-04/…>.
Regards,
KTC
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Experience is a good school but the fees are high.
- Heinrich Heine