No need to do translations from scratch, since other people already maintain them:
http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/
Look at iso_639 and iso_639_3.
Regards, ~~helix84
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 16:45, Michael Dale mdale@wikimedia.org wrote:
Small thread on api list about localising languages lists.. I think it would be worth while. I don't think it would be too costly to the translate community, especially if we seeded it from some digital source.
Do people know of a good source for localised language lists? If nothing else the inter-wiki links on the wikipedia article for each language might be a good start.
--michael
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-api] is there a way to get the English name of a language? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:41:51 -0600 From: Michael Dale mdale@wikimedia.org Reply-To: MediaWiki API announcements & discussion mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org To: mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org
On 01/17/2011 12:52 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
2011/1/17 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com:
I looked around, but as far as I can find MediaWiki only has the names in their native language available.
That's right, the English names aren't stored by MediaWiki. I guess if we did that we'd have to have every language's name in every other language, which would be a huge amount of data (371 languages, so we'd need 371*371=137,641 translations).
Its not much different from adding an extension with 371 msg keys, we have like ~3K msg keys just core no? You could look at as adding 10% more messages.
I would support having localised listing of languages. it would make language selection widgets a lot easier to follow. This list could be seeded from a digital source relativity easily. What to translate wiki folks think?
--michael
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That's new project to me. Anyway, we (translatewiki.net, MediaWiki can too) source our translated language names from CLDR with cldr MediaWiki extension. In 1.17 there is even hook if you want to provide alternative sources for taht data. We're not translating language names in translatewiki.net, since it is stupid to translate them over and over again in different places. It can, of course, be disputed whether CLDR is the best central place to do that.
-Niklas
On 18 January 2011 17:50, helix84 helix84@centrum.sk wrote:
No need to do translations from scratch, since other people already maintain them:
http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/
Look at iso_639 and iso_639_3.
Regards, ~~helix84
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 16:45, Michael Dale mdale@wikimedia.org wrote:
Small thread on api list about localising languages lists.. I think it would be worth while. I don't think it would be too costly to the translate community, especially if we seeded it from some digital source.
Do people know of a good source for localised language lists? If nothing else the inter-wiki links on the wikipedia article for each language might be a good start.
--michael
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-api] is there a way to get the English name of a language? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:41:51 -0600 From: Michael Dale mdale@wikimedia.org Reply-To: MediaWiki API announcements & discussion mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org To: mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org
On 01/17/2011 12:52 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
2011/1/17 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com:
I looked around, but as far as I can find MediaWiki only has the names in their native language available.
That's right, the English names aren't stored by MediaWiki. I guess if we did that we'd have to have every language's name in every other language, which would be a huge amount of data (371 languages, so we'd need 371*371=137,641 translations).
Its not much different from adding an extension with 371 msg keys, we have like ~3K msg keys just core no? You could look at as adding 10% more messages.
I would support having localised listing of languages. it would make language selection widgets a lot easier to follow. This list could be seeded from a digital source relativity easily. What to translate wiki folks think?
--michael
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I agree with Niklas in everything: * it would be silly to duplicate the translation effort * CLDR would also be a good source * general fitness of either iso-codes or CLDR should be determined
I'd be especially interested to know the comparison how much language names actualy each of these has translated. But another important factor for you might be that the extension is already available in MW. OTOH, transformations might be more difficult depending on which codes you have available as a source (which standard you want to use to do the language_code->language_name transformation), and iso-codes provides multiple codes to work with.
Regards, ~~helix84
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 17:02, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxstrom@gmail.com wrote:
That's new project to me. Anyway, we (translatewiki.net, MediaWiki can too) source our translated language names from CLDR with cldr MediaWiki extension. In 1.17 there is even hook if you want to provide alternative sources for taht data. We're not translating language names in translatewiki.net, since it is stupid to translate them over and over again in different places. It can, of course, be disputed whether CLDR is the best central place to do that.
-Niklas
On 18 January 2011 17:50, helix84 helix84@centrum.sk wrote:
No need to do translations from scratch, since other people already maintain them:
http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/
Look at iso_639 and iso_639_3.
Regards, ~~helix84
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 16:45, Michael Dale mdale@wikimedia.org wrote:
Small thread on api list about localising languages lists.. I think it would be worth while. I don't think it would be too costly to the translate community, especially if we seeded it from some digital source.
Do people know of a good source for localised language lists? If nothing else the inter-wiki links on the wikipedia article for each language might be a good start.
--michael
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-api] is there a way to get the English name of a language? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:41:51 -0600 From: Michael Dale mdale@wikimedia.org Reply-To: MediaWiki API announcements & discussion mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org To: mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org
On 01/17/2011 12:52 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
2011/1/17 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com:
I looked around, but as far as I can find MediaWiki only has the names in their native language available.
That's right, the English names aren't stored by MediaWiki. I guess if we did that we'd have to have every language's name in every other language, which would be a huge amount of data (371 languages, so we'd need 371*371=137,641 translations).
Its not much different from adding an extension with 371 msg keys, we have like ~3K msg keys just core no? You could look at as adding 10% more messages.
I would support having localised listing of languages. it would make language selection widgets a lot easier to follow. This list could be seeded from a digital source relativity easily. What to translate wiki folks think?
--michael
Mediawiki-api mailing list Mediawiki-api@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api
Mediawiki-i18n mailing list Mediawiki-i18n@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n
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-- Niklas Laxström
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