Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] Fwd: Re: [Mediawiki-api] is there a way to get the English name of a language?

18 Jan 2011

I agree with Niklas in everything:
* it would be silly to duplicate the translation effort
* CLDR would also be a good source
* general fitness of either iso-codes or CLDR should be determined

I'd be especially interested to know the comparison how much language
names actualy each of these has translated. But another important
factor for you might be that the extension is already available in MW.
OTOH, transformations might be more difficult depending on which codes
you have available as a source (which standard you want to use to do
the language_code->language_name transformation), and iso-codes
provides multiple codes to work with.

Regards,
~~helix84

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 17:02, Niklas Laxström
&lt;niklas.laxstrom(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
...
  That's new project to me. Anyway, we
(translatewiki.net, MediaWiki can
 too) source our translated language names from CLDR with cldr
 MediaWiki extension. In 1.17 there is even hook if you want to provide
 alternative sources for taht data. We're not translating language
 names in translatewiki.net, since it is stupid to translate them over
 and over again in different places. It can, of course, be disputed
 whether CLDR is the best central place to do that.

  -Niklas

 On 18 January 2011 17:50, helix84 &lt;helix84(a)centrum.sk&gt; wrote:
  No need to do translations from scratch, since
other people already
 maintain them:

 http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/

 Look at iso_639 and iso_639_3.

 Regards,
 ~~helix84

 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 16:45, Michael Dale &lt;mdale(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote:

 Small thread on api list about localising languages lists.. I think it would be worth
while. I don't think it would be too costly to the translate community, especially if
we seeded it from some digital source.

 Do people know of a good source for localised language lists? If nothing else the
inter-wiki links on the wikipedia article for each language might be a good start.

 --michael

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 Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-api] is there a way to get the English name of a language?
 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:41:51 -0600
 From: Michael Dale &lt;mdale(a)wikimedia.org&gt;
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 On 01/17/2011 12:52 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
  2011/1/17 Bryan Tong Minh
&lt;bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:
> I looked around, but as far as I can find MediaWiki only has the names
> in their native language available.
>
 That's right, the English names aren't stored by MediaWiki. I guess if
 we did that we'd have to have every language's name in every other
 language, which would be a huge amount of data (371 languages, so we'd
 need 371*371=137,641 translations).  Its not much different from adding an
extension with 371 msg keys, we
 have like ~3K msg keys just core no? You could look at as adding 10%
 more messages.

 I would support having localised listing of languages. it would make
 language selection widgets a lot easier to follow. This list could be
 seeded from a digital source relativity easily. What to translate wiki
 folks think?

 --michael

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Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] Fwd: Re: [Mediawiki-api] is there a way to get the English name of a language?