Dear all,
My apologies up front for the long e-mail that follows. In this e-mail you
will find a comprehensive status overview of the recent WebFonts deployment.
On Monday December 12 at 18:00 UTC we deployed the extension WebFonts[1] to
40 wikis in 11 Indic languages and Wikimedia Incubator -- all wikis in
Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya,
(Eastern) Punjabi, Sankrit and Telugu have WebFonts now. WebFonts was not
deployed on Malayalam and Tamil projects. The reason for this was that
community members had requested us not to. We are confident that in time,
the communities will request that WebFonts is enabled on their projects.
WebFonts aims to resolve the issue that users see incomplete web pages,
because the fonts to properly render the page is not present in the local
system by downloading the font through the browser.
One of our great challenges developing this functionality is the multitude
of scripts and the low availability of freely licensed fonts that may be
modified and redistributed.
Over the past few months we have tried to build out a collection of fonts
in the extension mainly for Indic languages, and we have performed many
tests. We have solicited community involvement through messaging in village
pumps, e-mails on mailing lists, blog posts on personal blogs as well as on
the Wikimedia Foundation blog, at developer events, through personal
e-mails and through our bug tracker, and gotten some feedback, although
unfortunately not for all the languages we would like to have gotten it
for. We will of course continue our efforts in this area. Next to the
community involvement, we have had a two day session with the Red Hat
Localisation team in Pune, India.
Since the deployment, we have been criticised for not communicating enough
-- or not through the right channels, not with the right people, not in
time, or too soon, or not with the right messages. I'm not really sure how
to respond to that, except for uttering a general "mea culpa, mea maxima
culpa". We are working really hard in continuously improving the work that
we do, and the way that we do it. We make mistakes, we are human after all,
and when we become aware of our mistakes, we will do everything in our
power to make it better.
With our team we support the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation to
"imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge." I care about that -- a lot. We all care, and I am
pretty certain that we're not ignorant, dismissive or incapable. I
acknowledge that we as the Localisation team are a relatively new entity
within the MediaWiki development community and within the Wikimedia
Foundation, with a very wide scope, and that we are dealing with a lot of
technical details on which we are simply not able to assess the final
quality; there are after all 7.500 languages in this world of over 7
billion people that we theoretically all cover, some 350 of those languages
are supported in MediaWiki, and 280 within Wikimedia.
I accept that we cannot keep everybody happy -- doesn't keep us from
trying, though. I want to try and work with as many people as possible in a
constructive way. With these numbers, that's not always easy to coordinate.
To channel the input on languages, we have set up "Language Support
Teams"[2]. We do not yet have a language support team for every language.
Please sign up if you care about the technical facilitation of your
language in the Wikimedia movement. Let's use the mediawiki-i18n mailing
list[3] to have constructive discussions about language support. Let's use
the #mediawiki-i18n IRC channel[4] on Freenode to have real-time
discussions. Let's use bugzilla.wikimedia.org to report bugs[5]. Link [5]
explains the bug reporting procedure. If you already know how, report
issues quickly using this link: http://ur1.ca/6ov9a .
Since the deployment, we have been made aware of about 17 issues. Some very
serious in nature, others not requiring immediate attention. Yesterday an
issue with web fonts not loading in Firefox was resolved in the
infrastructure. Today around 15:30 UTC, we have deployed fixes for an
additional hand full of issues[6]: functionality disabled in IE6, IE8 on
Windows XP, selection buttons not working properly in IE7 and hiding the
Samyak fonts in the font selector. During our current sprint, we are
working on a framework for multi-lingual and localised user documentation
as well as feature based feedback functionality for WebFonts, Narayam and
Translate. In the future we will also explore what is known as "dark
launch" by some, a kind of hidden live deployment of a feature, only usable
be for example manipulating a URL. This would allow us to deploy a feature
in a live environment, without having the "full deployment" impact.
Thanks for reading through this. I am looking forward to working with you!
Please read on for details on all the issues that were reported on WebFonts
recently.
Cheers!
Siebrand Mazeland
Product Manager Localisation
Wikimedia Foundation
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Links
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[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts
[2] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
[3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n
[4] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:WebChat
[5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla
[6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106204
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Open issues
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33004 -- Old cached pages do not have web
fonts enabled
Priority: HIGH
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Wikimedia is able to serve this many pages with relative few servers
because of very aggressive caching strategies, especially for anonymous
users. WebFonts requires the addition of JavaScript for anonymous users,
which is not being done for pages that are in the squid cache at the moment
WebFonts was enabled. All squid cache objects for wikis on which WebFonts
was deployed need to be purged. An internal RT ticket created for the
Wikimedia Operations team to get anonymous squid caches purged. This may
take up to a week or longer to be resolved.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33018 -- Firefox 5 on Windows XP has script
time-outs
Priority: MEDIUM
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The Localisation team has tested this report, and was not yet able to
confirm the observation. The reason for using a non-recent version of
Firefox for the report was the alleged lower memory usage. Brion noted that
Mozilla has been actively working on lowering memory usage over the last
year, so the reporter may be better off with the current versions than the
old ones.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33110 -- Google Crome on Windows XP dispays
gibberish
Priority: LOW
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Observed very rarely on a page on Wikimedia Incubator, and we have not been
able to reproduce this observation, let alone reproduce it reliably. A
screenshot is present in the bug report. Except for reporting upstream, no
action is being taken on this issue at this point in time.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33054 -- Hinting issues in Lohit fonts
Priority: MEDIUM
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Confirmed in Windows XP. We can do something to the font by adding hinting,
but this is a lot of work if it needs to be done manually. The stem of the
Lohit glyphs could do with more width and darkness. This may not be
desirable for platforms (Linux) which render it perfectly, because it
already has hinting and anti-aliasing on an operating system level. Same
goes got Windows 7.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33100 -- Page crashes on Webkit browsers
with WebFonts enabled.
Priority: MEDIUM (could be HIGH if we find many occurances)
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A page in Nepali Wikipedia makes a tab on Mac OS X 10.7.2 with Google Crome
crash. This behaviour was also reported for Mac OS X 10.7.2 (11C74) with
Safari 5.1.1 (7534.51.22, r102522) [This is a webkit nightly build] by
thedj. This is most probably related to the WebFonts code, because if, as a
logged in user, web fonts is disabled in preferences, the page does not
crash Chrome.
Developer Derk-Jan Hartman was asked to report this bug in the WebKit.
Please make us aware of any additional pages that would cause this
behaviour in any wiki.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102 -- OSX 10.7.2/Opera 11.60 has no
fallback for Latin characters
Priority: MEDIUM
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This is a bug that needs to be reported upstream. No technical measures
have been taken so far to mitigate this issue. One of the Localisation team
members has been in contact with a high level executive of Opera, and will
contact that person again. We're going to wait for a few days for an
outcome -- if there is no expectation of a relatively quick fix, we might
disable WebFonts for Opera completely. Opera unfortunately does not have a
public bug tracker.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33027 -- Narayam and WebFonts both loading
slows down page
Priority: MEDIUM
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The reporter claims that the functionality is quicker on
translatewiki.netthan it is in Wikimedia wikis. A commenter states
that more functionality
usually means more code, means more data that needs to be transferred, and
without changing bandwidth, that causes longer load times.
This currently isn't our highest priority, but eventually we will look into
this a little deeper. We're inviting volunteers to do some of the data
gathering and analysis for us. What is needed in our opinion is insight in
the data volume added by WebFonts, as well as an assessment of the code
quality with regards to size optimisation. All referenced properly, of
course :). There are alternate EOT conversion tools that have a good
compression ratio. Needs to be explored, but EOT is not required for modern
browsers since they started using WOFF fonts which are compressed OpenType
fonts.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33085 -- Integration of updated Lohit-Tamil
Font
Priority: MEDIUM
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Request to update WebFonts with a font that is updated upstream. This is
something the Localisation team checks regularly. Will probably be closed
this week, pending issues the have a higher priority.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32942 -- Provide help page and bug report
link for WebFonts
Priority: HIGH
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More recently developed tools by the Wikimedia Foundation have often
included feedback mechanisms. The Localisation team plans on implementing
these for the functionality of the WebFonts, Narayam and Translate
extension. Besides that, we also want to provide multi-lingual and
localised documentation. This needs some thinking and some work to provide
in a structured and navigable way. We'll keep you posted. It will most
probably involve translatable *user* documentation on MediaWiki.org and
hopefully it is possible to have one feedback location per feature across
the multiple Wikimedia wikis -- this is something we're going to contact
the ArticleFeedback and MoodBar teams for.
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Closed issues
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33025 -- When changing to a non-default web
font, the content does not
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This issue was a side effect of a feature to allow multiple web fonts to be
used using the "lang" attribute. It was resolved in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105980 and has been
deployed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33034 -- Web fonts not loading in Firefox
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Duplicate reports were 33038 and 33044. This issue originated from
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#same-origin-restriction. Almost all
browsers except for Firefox ignore that specification. A fix was designed
and deployed: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106092,
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1501. Thanks to Roan, Brion and Ryan for
their help.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32775 -- Gibberish in Internet Explorer 8 on
Windows XP
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This is an unexplained phenomenon only observed in Internet Explorer on
Windows XP. It is also hard to reproduce. One of the developers was able to
make something somewhat reproducible on a clean, fully patched installation
of Windows XP with Internet Explorer 8. See bug report for details.
Based on these observations we think it is a bad idea to keep supporting
WebFonts in Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP and we have disabled it in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172. This fix has
been deployed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33096 -- Internet Explorer 6 does not have
font fallback
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IE6 not having font fallback causes Latin characters to display as squares
when a web font is loaded that does not contain glyphs for the Latin
script. A screenshot is available at
http://media.crossbrowsertesting.com/users/34057/screenshots/window/z669002….
Based on this observation, we think it is a bad idea to keep supporting
WebFonts in Internet Explorer 6 and we have disabled it in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172. This fix has
been deployed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33024 -- WebFonts menu buttons not working
in IE7
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This was caused by the JavaScript $( '<input type="radio" />' ) . attr(
"name" ,"font"); not working in IE6 and IE7. Updating name attributes once
they have been created is not possible. We think there may be more
occurances of this in our code (one occurance in jQuery has already been
identified: resources/jquery/jquery.validate.js:59). A fix was made in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106175. This fix has
been deployed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33040 -- Overlap in Samyak font for Hindi
and Sanskrit
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This issue occurs in Windows XP and Windows 7 (possibly also in Windows
Vista) when using Google Chrome. It is not observed when using Chrome with
Mac OS X 10.7.2 or several Linux distributions (Debian and Fedora). Samyak
Devanagari is available as a non-default web font in Hindi, Marathi, and
Sanskrit. Samyak Gujarati is available for Gujarati as a non-default font.
This font needs to be corrected. The maintainers will be notified of the
observed issues, and mean while, the fonts will be removed from the
WebFonts selection list (but can still be used using the font-family
property. A fix was made in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106179. This fix has
been deployed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33039 -- Overlap in Madan font for Nepali
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This report was invalid. The reporter was not aware of the correct glyph
for the Nepali script.
Comments on this bug report resulted in two odd observations (Crome crash,
Opera font fallback), that have been split off into separate bug reports:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33100 and
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33095 -- WebFonts menu can expand off the
screen
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If the translations for "Select font" and "Login / Register" are really
short, like in http://mr.wiktionary.org, expanding the WebFonts menu for
anonymous users will display a menu that is partially off the screen. It
was resolved in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106186,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106197,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106201,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106202. These
revisions also depend on a few small UI changes of both WebFonts and
Narayam, and will be deployed on December 19, 2011.
<no bugzilla report> -- WebFonts menu expands under the control for
customised input method in IE6 on transliteration
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There are issues with the z index in IE6. Because of
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172, WebFonts is
no longer available in IE6, so this issue is obsolete. Observing that the
Hindi projects Wikipedia and Wiktionary are using an custom input methods
tool, we would like to invite them to test Narayam which contains many
input methods in a MediaWiki extension. We are very open to having the
Hindi input method InScript tested and add a transliteration input method
with some community representatives, as we have done with other Indic
languages. We hope this will eventually lead to Narayam being adopted by
the Hindi community, and the custom input method being abandoned.
Dear subscriber to mediawiki-i18n,
I would like to invite you to the Localisation Development
Demonstration on Tuesday 1 May 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones:
08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes
at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its
progress made during sprint 14.
We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or
friends you think would appreciate being present!
This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a
few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to
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Hey all.
If you haven't come across me before, I'm Harry (better known in many
quarters by my pseudonym Jarry1250) and I was recently awarded a place on
this year's Google Summer of Code to work on a project called TranslateSvg.
Hello :)
In a nutshell, TranslateSvg is all about providing an interface that allows
Wikimedia Commons users to translate SVG images on the spot and without
fuss.
As part of that remit, I'm now seeking out those among the community who
have direct experience of translation of one sort or another and who might
like to help influence the design of TranslateSvg (both in terms of
interface design and workflow requirements).
Particularly super-useful would be to someone willing to try out interface
designs in the RTL variants, or using non-Latin scripts.
Thanks and much respect for all the hard translation/i18n work that goes on
to make MediaWiki a world class piece of software.
Harry
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GSoC 2012 participant
Dear all,
Because of an unknown issue, translatewiki.net translations are not
being propagated to Wikimedia sites at the moment. They are being
added to the source code of MediaWiki and extensions[1], but the
process that is intended to ensure that the translations are actually
being used, is malfunctioning.
This issue is documented as https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36349
[1] All localisation related commits:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#dashboard,137
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Gerard wrote:
> Hoi,
> I blogged about this ..
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2012/04/supporting-asturian-in-cldr.html
> Thanks,
> Gerard
Gerard,
And I replied to your post.
Xuacu,
Your account is still active and vetting started a couple of weeks
ago, please consider filing a ticket with the updated exemplar data
here: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/minimaldata/form (
including that the Spanish plural rules are to be used ) so that
Asturian can be entered.
Steven R. Loomis, CLDR Project
Srl295 @ translatewiki || freenode
I am thinking about moving the text files "cite_text-xx"
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Cite.git;a=tree
into SpecialCite.i18n.php to make them available for translation.
Currently we have 23 translation only and no simple way to add new
translations (besides direct Git commits of new files).
Are there any objections against my idea?
Raimond.
There have been some changes to i18n deployments because of the
migration to git. The deployment window is now on Tuesdays at
16:30-17:30 UTC. But most of our changes are going to happen during
the general deployments, which has been split to four days across two
weeks. In i18n deployment window we are going to mostly do
configuration changes and deployments of new extensions.
Our plans:
* Translation administrators are given access to
Special:AggregateGroups on projects using Translate extension
* Narayam on te.wikipedia.org (bug 33480)
** This probably happens after the git deployment on Wednesday
For later deployments we also have translation memory service and
TranslationNotifications extension coming.
-Niklas
Dear subscriber to mediawiki-i18n,
I would like to invite you to the Localisation Development
Demonstration on Tuesday 14 April 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones:
06:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes
at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its
progress made during sprint 13 of release 2.
We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or
friends you think would appreciate being present!
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Stacey Borsody wrote:
> Thanks for the information. I had looked at the beta Survey Tool
> earlier and saw there was no way to add new locales.
That's a separate process. the main survey tool help page discusses it a
bit, as does http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/minimaldata
But, I filed a ticket <http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/4626> to add
an "add new locales" link.
> CLDR looks like a great tool, but the CLDR process seems like it does
> take a bit of time to learn. It feels like it somewhat defeats the
> goal of getting in-country scholars and other experts involved,
> especially when we're talking about small languages. Those experts
> are not necessarily "computer people", which leads once again to
> update and review by non-expert proxy. That being said, I'll see what
> I can do. Stacey
Stacey, please... talk to us. File a ticket, join the CLDR discussion
lists. http://cldr.unicode.org .. plenty of non-computer people have
been involved in this process. We keep trying to make it easier to
use. We do NOT expect you to learn the CLDR process before contacting
us. File a bug, ask a question. If it's proper to quote it here,
WP:BOLD - be bold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD
Steven (CLDR/ICU/SurveyTool)
6am PDT makes it pretty impossible for anyone from the west coast to participate :-(
Why such an unfriendly time?
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Alolita Sharma
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From: "Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)" <smazeland(a)wikimedia.org>
To: "MediaWiki internationalisation" <mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Invitation for Localisation Development Demonstration 2012-04-17 15:00 UTC
Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 11:21 pm
Op 16 apr. 2012 om 03:02 heeft Peter Gehres <lists(a)pgehres.com> het volgende geschreven:
> I would like to invite you to the Localisation Development
> Demonstration on Tuesday 17 April 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones:
> 06:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes
> at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its
> progress made during sprint 13 of release 2.
>
> Is the date supposed to be Tuesday, 17 April 2012?
Yes, it is. Sorry. Corrected in the above text. It was already correct in the subject.
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