Wait a second... so we want to approve a gom-deva.wikipedia.org with the Devanagari articles from Incubator? But, the most-used messages are not yet translated < https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=core-0-m... (51%) currently.
2015-03-11 15:18 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com>:
Ok, Since we do not have any disagreements, as per our usual process, I will inform board about the decision that we approve Konkani wikipedia with Devanagari script
Thanks Santhosh Thottingal
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, I am a long time proponent for this. So yes PLEASE Thanks, Gerard
On 7 March 2015 at 07:49, Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net wrote:
I have no inhibitions or restraints against making the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia live.
As far as I understand, current policy is to discourage communities from having separate wikipedias for different scripts of the same language. However, I'd be happy to see Konkani-Latin and Konkani-Kannada on the incubator. A decision can then ensue whether these projects then become subpages of the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia (for example like Suebian, Allemannic etc on the Southwestern Germanic dialect wikipedia), or whether WMF makes an exception in allowing separate wiki spaces for those three scripts. Such a later decision, imho, does not prevent a live wikipedia for the Devanagri script at this point in time.
Best wishes, Oliver
On 07-Mar-15 8:05 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
Shall we make a decision on this? Community is waiting and they pinged me. I am all for approving this. Is there any more concerns we need to address?
Thanks Santhosh
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com> wrote:
Vishnu clarified the request details in the below mail I quoted.
(it came as moderation request to me, but I don't see it in approval queue. weird )
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vishnu vishnu@cis-india.org To: langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:32:27 +0530 Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to make the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and Kannada scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will ensure that the rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in all these three major script variants will flourish along with the associated communities.
If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that is now sustainable.
The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script variant is tied to specific religious and regional community and has significant variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively finding a practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a script converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians, Konkani linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University, Konkani cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel and arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each of the three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This note has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently active Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari variant) believe that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three script variants is the way to go.
*May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts issue and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I am reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias soon. Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
Thanks, Vishnu CIS-A2K, Programme Director
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkani...
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_July_201...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Konkani_Wikip...
[4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then been invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee by the Global Konkani Conclave)
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Hi,
Didn't we relax the localization requirement as per the discussion we had in 2012, initiated by Eric and documented at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy ? It does not really say any minimum percentage, just says "There is a continuing effort to translate the MediaWiki interface into that language".
What do you propose? I see gom-deva has 594 messages translated, 286 to be translated. It seems there is good activity at incubator and I happened to see a user with 10000 edits there
Thanks Santhosh
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:59 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Wait a second... so we want to approve a gom-deva.wikipedia.org with the Devanagari articles from Incubator? But, the most-used messages are not yet translated https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=core-0-mostused&language=gom-deva&filter=!translated&action=translate (51%) currently.
2015-03-11 15:18 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com:
Ok, Since we do not have any disagreements, as per our usual process, I will inform board about the decision that we approve Konkani wikipedia with Devanagari script
Thanks Santhosh Thottingal
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I am a long time proponent for this. So yes PLEASE Thanks, Gerard
On 7 March 2015 at 07:49, Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net wrote:
I have no inhibitions or restraints against making the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia live.
As far as I understand, current policy is to discourage communities from having separate wikipedias for different scripts of the same language. However, I'd be happy to see Konkani-Latin and Konkani-Kannada on the incubator. A decision can then ensue whether these projects then become subpages of the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia (for example like Suebian, Allemannic etc on the Southwestern Germanic dialect wikipedia), or whether WMF makes an exception in allowing separate wiki spaces for those three scripts. Such a later decision, imho, does not prevent a live wikipedia for the Devanagri script at this point in time.
Best wishes, Oliver
On 07-Mar-15 8:05 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
Shall we make a decision on this? Community is waiting and they pinged me. I am all for approving this. Is there any more concerns we need to address?
Thanks Santhosh
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com wrote:
Vishnu clarified the request details in the below mail I quoted.
(it came as moderation request to me, but I don't see it in approval queue. weird )
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vishnu vishnu@cis-india.org To: langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:32:27 +0530 Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to make the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and Kannada scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will ensure that the rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in all these three major script variants will flourish along with the associated communities.
If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that is now sustainable.
The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script variant is tied to specific religious and regional community and has significant variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively finding a practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a script converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians, Konkani linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University, Konkani cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel and arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each of the three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This note has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently active Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari variant) believe that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three script variants is the way to go.
*May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts issue and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I am reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias soon. Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
Thanks, Vishnu CIS-A2K, Programme Director
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkani...
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_July_201...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Konkani_Wikip...
[4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then been invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee by the Global Konkani Conclave)
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No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the 500 most-used messages should be translated. Previously we required the complete interface to be translated for any further project in a language, nowadays it is just the "continuing effort" as you cited.
Gom-deva does not yet have the most-used messages completely, the link I gave shows which ones are not yet translated.
2015-03-11 15:58 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com>:
Hi,
Didn't we relax the localization requirement as per the discussion we had in 2012, initiated by Eric and documented at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy ? It does not really say any minimum percentage, just says "There is a continuing effort to *translate the MediaWiki interface into that language".*
What do you propose? I see gom-deva has 594 messages translated, 286 to be translated. It seems there is good activity at incubator and I happened to see a user with 10000 edits there https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Darshan_kandolkar&offset=&limit=500&target=Darshan+kandolkar
Thanks Santhosh
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:59 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Wait a second... so we want to approve a gom-deva.wikipedia.org with the Devanagari articles from Incubator? But, the most-used messages are not yet translated < https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=core-0-m... (51%) currently.
2015-03-11 15:18 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com>:
Ok, Since we do not have any disagreements, as per our usual process, I will inform board about the decision that we approve Konkani wikipedia with Devanagari script
Thanks Santhosh Thottingal
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, I am a long time proponent for this. So yes PLEASE Thanks, Gerard
On 7 March 2015 at 07:49, Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net wrote:
I have no inhibitions or restraints against making the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia live.
As far as I understand, current policy is to discourage communities from having separate wikipedias for different scripts of the same language. However, I'd be happy to see Konkani-Latin and Konkani-Kannada on the incubator. A decision can then ensue whether these projects then become subpages of the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia (for example like Suebian, Allemannic etc on the Southwestern Germanic dialect wikipedia), or whether WMF makes an exception in allowing separate wiki spaces for those three scripts. Such a later decision, imho, does not prevent a live wikipedia for the Devanagri script at this point in time.
Best wishes, Oliver
On 07-Mar-15 8:05 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
Shall we make a decision on this? Community is waiting and they pinged me. I am all for approving this. Is there any more concerns we need to address?
Thanks Santhosh
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Santhosh Thottingal < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com> wrote:
Vishnu clarified the request details in the below mail I quoted.
(it came as moderation request to me, but I don't see it in approval queue. weird )
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vishnu vishnu@cis-india.org To: langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:32:27 +0530 Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to make the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and Kannada scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will ensure that the rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in all these three major script variants will flourish along with the associated communities.
If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that is now sustainable.
The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script variant is tied to specific religious and regional community and has significant variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively finding a practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a script converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians, Konkani linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University, Konkani cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel and arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each of the three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This note has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently active Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari variant) believe that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three script variants is the way to go.
*May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts issue and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I am reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias soon. Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
Thanks, Vishnu CIS-A2K, Programme Director
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkani...
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_July_201...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Konkani_Wikip...
[4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then been invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee by the Global Konkani Conclave)
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the 500 most-used messages should be translated.
translatewiki.net stats page https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-deva&group=core-0-mostused says 592 most-used messages translated.
Santhosh
On the very same page I see 594 messages in total in that group, 286 thereof still to translate. Am 11.03.2015 16:08 schrieb "Santhosh Thottingal" < santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com>:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the 500 most-used messages should be translated.
translatewiki.net stats page https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-deva&group=core-0-mostused says 592 most-used messages translated.
Santhosh
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