Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.com
:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
https://basabali.org https://basabali.org/
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.com mailto:jhsoby@gmail.com>: Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org http://ban.wikipedia.org/. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
- - - - - - - - - - - - Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org http://globalvoicesonline.org/ @risingvoices
I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila eddie@globalvoices.org:
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org @risingvoices
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here.
I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/LangCamp_2012 and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported https://id.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019/Komunitas_Denpasar by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons.
Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department https://fib.unud.ac.id/pages/view/sastra-bali at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level.
*Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramzym / keybase https://keybase.io/ramzy / meta.wiki https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Muhraz
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila eddie@globalvoices.org:
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org @risingvoices
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, Happy for it to proceed. Thanks, GerardM
PS is the process for new wikis no longer an issue?
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 10:55, Ramzy Muliawan ramzymuliawan14@gmail.com wrote:
Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here.
I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/LangCamp_2012 and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported https://id.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019/Komunitas_Denpasar by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons.
Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department https://fib.unud.ac.id/pages/view/sastra-bali at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level.
*Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramzym / keybase https://keybase.io/ramzy / meta.wiki https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Muhraz
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila eddie@globalvoices.org:
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org @risingvoices
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 13:08 skrev Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
PS is the process for new wikis no longer an issue?
They are fixing it piece by piece. Amir Sabaradani (User:Ladsgroup), who has been the one creating wikis lately, wrote a summary of some of the problems he's come across here https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158730#5527658, which should give you an idea of why it is very difficult. But basically there is no "dry run" for creating new wikis in production, the only way to see what's wrong is to actually create a wiki and then solve the problems that arise when they do. I for one am very thankful that he takes the time to do so.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 10:55, Ramzy Muliawan ramzymuliawan14@gmail.com wrote:
Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here.
I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/LangCamp_2012 and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported https://id.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019/Komunitas_Denpasar by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons.
Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department https://fib.unud.ac.id/pages/view/sastra-bali at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level.
*Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramzym / keybase https://keybase.io/ramzy / meta.wiki https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Muhraz
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila eddie@globalvoices.org:
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org @risingvoices
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
I have now marked the request as approved on Meta, and created the relevant Phabricator tickets https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234768. Hope I didn't miss any steps, Steven. :-)
fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 15:51 skrev Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 13:08 skrev Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
PS is the process for new wikis no longer an issue?
They are fixing it piece by piece. Amir Sabaradani (User:Ladsgroup), who has been the one creating wikis lately, wrote a summary of some of the problems he's come across here https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158730#5527658, which should give you an idea of why it is very difficult. But basically there is no "dry run" for creating new wikis in production, the only way to see what's wrong is to actually create a wiki and then solve the problems that arise when they do. I for one am very thankful that he takes the time to do so.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 10:55, Ramzy Muliawan ramzymuliawan14@gmail.com wrote:
Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here.
I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/LangCamp_2012 and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported https://id.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019/Komunitas_Denpasar by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons.
Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department https://fib.unud.ac.id/pages/view/sastra-bali at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level.
*Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramzym / keybase https://keybase.io/ramzy / meta.wiki https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Muhraz
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila <eddie@globalvoices.org
:
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D, and there is steady activity https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org @risingvoices
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- mvh Jon Harald Søby
As far as I can tell, you missed exactly one thing: removing the category "Test wikis awaiting language verification" from the info page at Incubator. And since that's all you missed, you did a great job!
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________________________________ From: Langcom langcom-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 6:37 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Approving Wikipedia in Balinese
I have now marked the request as approved on Meta, and created the relevant Phabricator ticketshttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT234768&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738594595&sdata=6%2BYkCQS2VQc9v3wRhWR1zd0rPU17%2FDFJuRl1jHyB9mM%3D&reserved=0. Hope I didn't miss any steps, Steven. :-)
fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 15:51 skrev Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.commailto:jhsoby@gmail.com>: fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 13:08 skrev Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.commailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>: PS is the process for new wikis no longer an issue?
They are fixing it piece by piece. Amir Sabaradani (User:Ladsgroup), who has been the one creating wikis lately, wrote a summary of some of the problems he's come across herehttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT158730%235527658&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738604606&sdata=fZ0uUx%2FC6QX4pUqb3b4sdG%2BZYHo%2FFzm0iBbNzYKhUvI%3D&reserved=0, which should give you an idea of why it is very difficult. But basically there is no "dry run" for creating new wikis in production, the only way to see what's wrong is to actually create a wiki and then solve the problems that arise when they do. I for one am very thankful that he takes the time to do so.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 10:55, Ramzy Muliawan <ramzymuliawan14@gmail.commailto:ramzymuliawan14@gmail.com> wrote: Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here.
I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikiversity.org%2Fwiki%2FLangCamp_2012&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738614617&sdata=Phh0MxOmLpj94e9lDfHw97g8NiLHsVxPtuQwHRe4rDY%3D&reserved=0 and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supportedhttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fid.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019%2FKomunitas_Denpasar&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738614617&sdata=jjh6pwDad8uiz6C9Dlbm2B2j8VX8M6aKmbTdw%2FAc48w%3D&reserved=0 by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons.
Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies departmenthttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffib.unud.ac.id%2Fpages%2Fview%2Fsastra-bali&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738624624&sdata=rbKEhHaDFjnr%2BsxP1EhCmTlfPpECMfxjG3gRVHj7ttU%3D&reserved=0 at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level.
Ramzy Muliawan linkedinhttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Framzym&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738634631&sdata=M7yvN8EOOedKQ4E73idqcMhEThxbnj03Cg%2BXv7vsxIM%3D&reserved=0 / keybasehttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeybase.io%2Framzy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738634631&sdata=zxoRYv9MxtZBkREdDa%2F6%2FY%2F0TaSgfgmxZoYVXPqZYSQ%3D&reserved=0 / meta.wikihttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUser%3AMuhraz&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738644642&sdata=3md7msfYRze0JSYUD%2FuHekygWvpoMmFk1LBOnQ9Dxn0%3D&reserved=0
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.commailto:jhsoby@gmail.com> wrote: I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila <eddie@globalvoices.orgmailto:eddie@globalvoices.org>: Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
https://basabali.orghttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbasabali.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738654653&sdata=GPNW9vtD53J49x8QulsFAuzdNVfLS%2FcUMnYpeQV%2BMxA%3D&reserved=0
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.ilmailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.commailto:jhsoby@gmail.com>: Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinesehttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWp%2Fban&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738654653&sdata=alXT9oWTSZM7kMCHAS5bzj3RlfzhdAtCEWKBsBWGAsY%3D&reserved=0 at ban.wikipedia.orghttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fban.wikipedia.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738664655&sdata=%2FpjXDGRxz8ZpOFfDYBTixKTxqXNXPme0YkRijJYuj8U%3D&reserved=0. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translatedhttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslatewiki.net%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3ALanguageStats%3Flanguage%3Dban%26x%3DD&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738664655&sdata=XvI5NBieBCzbcuyt4BlHMTa7JDxsl9jphwCt7a%2BLs1Y%3D&reserved=0, and there is steady activityhttps://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ARecentChanges%26%26limit%3D250%26days%3D20%26testwiki%3DWp%2Fban&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738674662&sdata=7qjLVnZj%2BvsjJdg6lfE8LdyQHeFuKfl1OAWRM7XJAHk%3D&reserved=0 in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
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Update: It was created earlier today, and all of the content from Incubator has been imported.
tir. 8. okt. 2019, 15:47 skrev Steven White koala19890@hotmail.com:
As far as I can tell, you missed exactly one thing: removing the category "Test wikis awaiting language verification" from the info page at Incubator. And since that's all you missed, you did a great job!
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*From:* Langcom langcom-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 6, 2019 6:37 PM *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Langcom] Approving Wikipedia in Balinese
I have now marked the request as approved on Meta, and created the relevant Phabricator tickets https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT234768&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738594595&sdata=6%2BYkCQS2VQc9v3wRhWR1zd0rPU17%2FDFJuRl1jHyB9mM%3D&reserved=0. Hope I didn't miss any steps, Steven. :-)
fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 15:51 skrev Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 13:08 skrev Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
PS is the process for new wikis no longer an issue?
They are fixing it piece by piece. Amir Sabaradani (User:Ladsgroup), who has been the one creating wikis lately, wrote a summary of some of the problems he's come across here https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT158730%235527658&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738604606&sdata=fZ0uUx%2FC6QX4pUqb3b4sdG%2BZYHo%2FFzm0iBbNzYKhUvI%3D&reserved=0, which should give you an idea of why it is very difficult. But basically there is no "dry run" for creating new wikis in production, the only way to see what's wrong is to actually create a wiki and then solve the problems that arise when they do. I for one am very thankful that he takes the time to do so.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 10:55, Ramzy Muliawan ramzymuliawan14@gmail.com wrote:
Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here.
I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikiversity.org%2Fwiki%2FLangCamp_2012&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738614617&sdata=Phh0MxOmLpj94e9lDfHw97g8NiLHsVxPtuQwHRe4rDY%3D&reserved=0 and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fid.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019%2FKomunitas_Denpasar&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738614617&sdata=jjh6pwDad8uiz6C9Dlbm2B2j8VX8M6aKmbTdw%2FAc48w%3D&reserved=0 by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons.
Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffib.unud.ac.id%2Fpages%2Fview%2Fsastra-bali&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738624624&sdata=rbKEhHaDFjnr%2BsxP1EhCmTlfPpECMfxjG3gRVHj7ttU%3D&reserved=0 at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level.
*Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Framzym&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738634631&sdata=M7yvN8EOOedKQ4E73idqcMhEThxbnj03Cg%2BXv7vsxIM%3D&reserved=0 / keybase https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeybase.io%2Framzy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738634631&sdata=zxoRYv9MxtZBkREdDa%2F6%2FY%2F0TaSgfgmxZoYVXPqZYSQ%3D&reserved=0 / meta.wiki https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUser%3AMuhraz&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738644642&sdata=3md7msfYRze0JSYUD%2FuHekygWvpoMmFk1LBOnQ9Dxn0%3D&reserved=0
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes:
Dear Jon,
Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active.
Best wishes,
I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes:
Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice
That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested.
tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila eddie@globalvoices.org:
Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff.
https://basabali.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbasabali.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738654653&sdata=GPNW9vtD53J49x8QulsFAuzdNVfLS%2FcUMnYpeQV%2BMxA%3D&reserved=0
On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself.
I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go.
בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby < jhsoby@gmail.com>:
Hi all!
I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWp%2Fban&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738654653&sdata=alXT9oWTSZM7kMCHAS5bzj3RlfzhdAtCEWKBsBWGAsY%3D&reserved=0 at ban.wikipedia.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fban.wikipedia.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738664655&sdata=%2FpjXDGRxz8ZpOFfDYBTixKTxqXNXPme0YkRijJYuj8U%3D&reserved=0. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslatewiki.net%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3ALanguageStats%3Flanguage%3Dban%26x%3DD&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738664655&sdata=XvI5NBieBCzbcuyt4BlHMTa7JDxsl9jphwCt7a%2BLs1Y%3D&reserved=0, and there is steady activity https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ARecentChanges%26%26limit%3D250%26days%3D20%26testwiki%3DWp%2Fban&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738674662&sdata=7qjLVnZj%2BvsjJdg6lfE8LdyQHeFuKfl1OAWRM7XJAHk%3D&reserved=0 in Incubator.
As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity.
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