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Hi all! I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban> at ban.wikipedia.org. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated <https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:LanguageStats?language=ban&x=D>, and there is steady activity <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&&limit=250&days=20&testwiki=Wp/ban> in Incubator. As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity. -- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active. Best wishes,

Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here. I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/LangCamp_2012> and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported <https://id.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019/Komunitas_Denpasar> by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons. Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department <https://fib.unud.ac.id/pages/view/sastra-bali> at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level. *Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramzym> / keybase <https://keybase.io/ramzy> / meta.wiki <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Muhraz> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby &lt;jhsoby(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 13:08 skrev Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: They are fixing it piece by piece. Amir Sabaradani (User:Ladsgroup), who has been the one creating wikis lately, wrote a summary of some of the problems he's come across here <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158730#5527658>, which should give you an idea of why it is very difficult. But basically there is no "dry run" for creating new wikis in production, the only way to see what's wrong is to actually create a wiki and then solve the problems that arise when they do. I for one am very thankful that he takes the time to do so. -- mvh Jon Harald Søby

As far as I can tell, you missed exactly one thing: removing the category "Test wikis awaiting language verification" from the info page at Incubator. And since that's all you missed, you did a great job! Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ------------------------------ *From:* Langcom &lt;langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; on behalf of Jon Harald Søby &lt;jhsoby(a)gmail.com&gt; *Sent:* Sunday, October 6, 2019 6:37 PM *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee &lt;langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Langcom] Approving Wikipedia in Balinese I have now marked the request as approved on Meta, and created the relevant Phabricator tickets <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT234768&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738594595&sdata=6%2BYkCQS2VQc9v3wRhWR1zd0rPU17%2FDFJuRl1jHyB9mM%3D&reserved=0>. Hope I didn't miss any steps, Steven. :-) fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 15:51 skrev Jon Harald Søby &lt;jhsoby(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: fre. 27. sep. 2019 kl. 13:08 skrev Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: PS is the process for new wikis no longer an issue? They are fixing it piece by piece. Amir Sabaradani (User:Ladsgroup), who has been the one creating wikis lately, wrote a summary of some of the problems he's come across here <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT158730%235527658&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738604606&sdata=fZ0uUx%2FC6QX4pUqb3b4sdG%2BZYHo%2FFzm0iBbNzYKhUvI%3D&reserved=0>, which should give you an idea of why it is very difficult. But basically there is no "dry run" for creating new wikis in production, the only way to see what's wrong is to actually create a wiki and then solve the problems that arise when they do. I for one am very thankful that he takes the time to do so. On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 10:55, Ramzy Muliawan &lt;ramzymuliawan14(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi --- an Indonesian Wikimedian here. I've followed the Balinese project since LangCamp 2012 <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikiversity.org%2Fwiki%2FLangCamp_2012&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738614617&sdata=Phh0MxOmLpj94e9lDfHw97g8NiLHsVxPtuQwHRe4rDY%3D&reserved=0> and I can vouch for their approval. The community is focused in Denpasar and has been well-supported <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fid.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPengembangan_Komunitas_APG_2019%2FKomunitas_Denpasar&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738614617&sdata=jjh6pwDad8uiz6C9Dlbm2B2j8VX8M6aKmbTdw%2FAc48w%3D&reserved=0> by Wikimedia Indonesia in past two years; they even have their own community co-ordinator and regularly-scheduled edit-a-thons. Should the Committee need to be in touch of any person in academia, I can refer to the Balinese Studies department <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffib.unud.ac.id%2Fpages%2Fview%2Fsastra-bali&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738624624&sdata=rbKEhHaDFjnr%2BsxP1EhCmTlfPpECMfxjG3gRVHj7ttU%3D&reserved=0> at Universitas Udayana; although I think that Tjahja and Revi themselves are sufficient, they both speak and write Balinese to a level. *Ramzy Muliawan* linkedin <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Framzym&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738634631&sdata=M7yvN8EOOedKQ4E73idqcMhEThxbnj03Cg%2BXv7vsxIM%3D&reserved=0> / keybase <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeybase.io%2Framzy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738634631&sdata=zxoRYv9MxtZBkREdDa%2F6%2FY%2F0TaSgfgmxZoYVXPqZYSQ%3D&reserved=0> / meta.wiki <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUser%3AMuhraz&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738644642&sdata=3md7msfYRze0JSYUD%2FuHekygWvpoMmFk1LBOnQ9Dxn0%3D&reserved=0> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jon Harald Søby &lt;jhsoby(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I asked Biyanto Rebin from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he writes: Dear Jon, Yes. It is definitely Balinese language. I know the community very well and since last year, they have held a lot of meetups and editathon events, that is why they are very active. Best wishes, I also asked Revi Soekatno (User:Meursault2004) on Facebook, and he writes: Yes it unmistakenly Balinese and some articles are very nice That should be enough confirmation, no? If not we could reach out to BASABali like Eddie suggested. tor. 26. sep. 2019 kl. 18:07 skrev Eddie Avila &lt;eddie(a)globalvoices.org&gt;rg>: Maybe Wikimedia Indonesia is already in touch with the BASABali organization, but if not, I can put them in touch with their staff. https://basabali.org <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbasabali.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738654653&sdata=GPNW9vtD53J49x8QulsFAuzdNVfLS%2FcUMnYpeQV%2BMxA%3D&reserved=0> On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:53, Amir E. Aharoni &lt;amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il&gt; wrote: I support this, and I was just about to propose this myself. I already spoke about this to Tjahja Wirjadisastra from Wikimedia Indonesia, and he approves it, so I would say it's good to go. בתאריך יום ה׳, 26 בספט׳ 2019, 18:39, מאת Jon Harald Søby ‏< jhsoby(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: Hi all! I would like to suggest approving Wikipedia in Balinese <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWp%2Fban&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738654653&sdata=alXT9oWTSZM7kMCHAS5bzj3RlfzhdAtCEWKBsBWGAsY%3D&reserved=0> at ban.wikipedia.org <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fban.wikipedia.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738664655&sdata=%2FpjXDGRxz8ZpOFfDYBTixKTxqXNXPme0YkRijJYuj8U%3D&reserved=0>. The Incubator wiki has had a lot of activity, with more than 1,300 articles – of which a random sample looks very promising. The most used messages and more have been translated <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslatewiki.net%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3ALanguageStats%3Flanguage%3Dban%26x%3DD&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738664655&sdata=XvI5NBieBCzbcuyt4BlHMTa7JDxsl9jphwCt7a%2BLs1Y%3D&reserved=0>, and there is steady activity <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.wikimedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ARecentChanges%26%26limit%3D250%26days%3D20%26testwiki%3DWp%2Fban&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738674662&sdata=7qjLVnZj%2BvsjJdg6lfE8LdyQHeFuKfl1OAWRM7XJAHk%3D&reserved=0> in Incubator. As for experts, I think it would suffice to contact someone in Wikimedia Indonesia to confirm this language – it is, after all, a relatively well-known language, at least in the region, so it should be an easy task for them to confirm its validity. -- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738684673&sdata=ntxU0UXuyEdQgUdZxFx6zLuFJV%2BtlmmK5if9bO%2BhCPQ%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738684673&sdata=ntxU0UXuyEdQgUdZxFx6zLuFJV%2BtlmmK5if9bO%2BhCPQ%3D&reserved=0> - - - - - - - - - - - - Eddie Avila Director, Rising Voices Global Voices http://globalvoicesonline.org <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fglobalvoicesonline.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738694680&sdata=aYBBREwBhTYgTOs%2FvR7e%2F3mjS%2BZ8q7VfPe4Eu6%2Bec1k%3D&reserved=0> @risingvoices _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738704687&sdata=0T6f5DllZ%2F5i6OEngMvnFbzj0dm2pg%2BDkqWQ6AxpsXg%3D&reserved=0> -- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738704687&sdata=0T6f5DllZ%2F5i6OEngMvnFbzj0dm2pg%2BDkqWQ6AxpsXg%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738714698&sdata=%2FHY4gcbicQ%2BBddcPPcWykDT8bDhutCx6OrJsz1fWduA%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6246fd2851f04f612d0208d74aadd2e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637059982738724705&sdata=xMi00QfJ1x46pZb7Bw9kYhszkIL2haSdco71AQ3eCoM%3D&reserved=0> -- mvh Jon Harald Søby -- mvh Jon Harald Søby _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom