Langcom May 2017

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[Approval] of Hindi Wikivoyage
by Satdeep Gill 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

Hi everyone, I would like everyone to have a look at Hindi Wikivoyage as well.[1] The comunity has been active for the past 6 months with at-least 3 editors every month.[2] They have written some very good articles as well.[3] [4] Hence, I propose its approval. 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikivoyage_Hindi 2. https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=wy/hi&wiki… 3. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wy/hi/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B0%E0%A… 4. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wy/hi/%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A… Regards Satdeep Gill Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SG…> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> Member, Language Committee <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Rejection of Wikipedia Prekmurian
by MF-Warburg 18 Jul '17

18 Jul '17

I propose to reject < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Prekmu…>. As noted on the page, there was a request to obtain an ISO code, but that was rejected in 2012.

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Approval of Ingush Wikipedia
by MF-Warburg 18 Jul '17

18 Jul '17

Hi all, I think Ingush Wikipedia can be approved, from the activity viewpoint. The translation of the most-used messages is complete (< http://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=inh>) and there has been a quite high activity since almost ten months now < https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/inh&wik… >. Now we would of course need verificiation of the content. Searching the archives, I found a mail from Amir from 10 November 2011. Back then, a linguist had said the language in the test-wiki was not quite what would be expected from literary Ingush. However, the current editors are all different from the ones that were active five years ago. Amir, could you check with that linguist or someone else from the Ingush State University again about the quality of the content? Best regards, MF-W

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Voting changes
by Milos Rancic 18 Jul '17

18 Jul '17

One issue: voting. == Voting == This is also proposal, so read it and comment if you don't agree or you want any addition. 1) No voting 1.1) According to the Closing projects policy [1], particular member of the committee analyzes discussion and, if decides that the project should be closed, sends the request to WMF Board. 1.2) Clear-cut situations for making a language eligible for Wikimedia projects: the language has a valid ISO 639-3 code, there are no significant issues in relation to the language itself, the population of speakers is significant, request made by a native speaker. In this case, any committee member can mark language / project eligible. 1.3) Approval without obvious formal requirements. No project will be approved without them. 2) Simple majority (of those who expressed opinion) 2.1) Eligibility of a language with a valid ISO 639-3 code, but without significant population of native speakers. (Note: this covers ancient, constructed, reviving and languages with small number of speakers.) 2.2) Eligibility of a language without a valid ISO 639-3 code, but valid BCP 47 code. (Note: this covers Ecuadorian Quechua.) 2.3) Eligibility of a language with significant collision between prescriptive and descriptive information. (Note: this covers "macrolangauges".) 2.4) Project approval if not 1.3. 3) 2/3 majority (of those who expressed opinion) 3.1) Any change of the rules, including the committee's role in possible changes of the Language proposal policy [2] and Closing projects policy [1]. 4) Consensus (of those who expressed opinion) 4.1) A new member of the Language committee should not be opposed by any of the current committee member. [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closing_projects_policy [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy

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[Approval] of Hindi Wikiversity
by Satdeep Gill 24 Jun '17

24 Jun '17

Hello friends, I would like to request the approval of Hindi Wikiversity.[1] The project has been fairly active for the past 6 months and with at-least 4 active editors in the last 4 months.[2] 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Hindi 2. https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=1&title=Category%3… Regards Satdeep Gill Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SG…> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> Member, Language Committee <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Dutch Wikinews
by Amir E. Aharoni 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi, Some people wondered about the state of Dutch Wikinews at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#No_a… There was already some discussion about it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_launchi… and there were different opinions. I'm neutral about this matter. Does anybody in the committee have a particular opinion on it? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Bodo autonym
by Amir E. Aharoni 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

Hi, At the langcom meeting in Berlin today Satdeep and Miloš brought up the topic of adding support for translating into the Bodo language. It's easy to do technically, but I want to use this as an opportunity to make sure that we have the autonym written correctly. * The current language database file <https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.uls/blob/master/data/langdb.yaml#L78> in the UniversalLanguageSelector extension lists it as "बड़ो". * The English Wikipedia article <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_language> says "बर'". Note the apostrophe in the end. I remember reading somewhere (probably the InScript standards files) that apostrophe in a part of the orthography of some languages of India, so it sounds possible. * The main page of the Bodo Incubator <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/brx/%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B9%E0%…> also has "बर'", as does the article about the language <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/brx/%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B0%27_%E0%A4%B0…> . * To confuse things completely, Ethnologue <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/brx> says "बोडो‎". (It also gives the main English name of the language as "Bodo"). So what is correct? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Fwd: Starting a Dinka Wikipedia
by Amir E. Aharoni 01 Jun '17

01 Jun '17

Hi, See the forwarded email from Prof. John Myhill, who is trying to set up a Dinka Wikipedia. Dinka is a language spoken in South Sudan. We already discussed its language code in the past: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2017-February/000948.html In that thread agreed that even though there are several relevant language codes, it's acceptable to have one Wikipedia with the language code "din". Like myself, Prof. Myhill happens to live in Israel, but we are otherwise unrelated. (His work may have something to do with the fact that quite a lot of refugees from South Sudan live in Israel, but this is just a guess.) The translations at translatewiki.net look quite solid. The Most-used group, which is required for creating the project, is complete. My impression of the Incubator at https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din is that it appears to have legitimate content. It's very basic: the pages have practically no formatting, images or links, but the text appears to be fine, and the pages are not too short. Technically, most of the pages were written by User:Dinkawiki (Prof. Myhill himself); most of the anonymous edits there were probably by him as well. In the last couple of weeks other users started uploading articles. Prof. Myhill says that most of the pages were actually written by other Dinka speakers (see the email below) and he only helped them upload them. In the last few days other people started joining the effort, although this is a recent development. I don't know the language, and if anybody wants to verify with another expert that this is indeed Dinka, it would be fine with me. Maybe Oliver can help with this—in the previous thread he mentioned he knows people who can read this language. Other than that, I'd be flexible and support approving this. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amir Aharoni <aaharoni(a)wikimedia.org> Date: 2017-04-26 15:07 GMT+03:00 Subject: Fwd: Starting a Dinka Wikipedia To: Amir Aharoni ‫‎<amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>‎‬ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: john <john(a)research.haifa.ac.il> Date: ср, 19 апр. 2017 г. в 18:19 Subject: Starting a Dinka Wikipedia To: <aaharoni(a)wikimedia.org> Dear Amir, This is in connection to opening a Wikipedia in Dinka. We have translated more than 100 articles and put them them in the Incubator, and we have also translated all of the terms needed to open a Wikipedia. Almost all of the translations were done at 5 workshops of Akutmɛ̈t Latueŋ Thuɔŋjäŋ (the Dinka Language Development Association, or DILDA) in Juba, South Sudan, in the last 2 and a half years. I participated in these workshop but the translations were done by the Dinka participants; there were about 25-30 translators at each workshop, but the specific people involved changed somewhat from one workshop to the next so that I would guess maybe 50 different people participated in doing the translations. A few of the translations (maybe 5 or 6) were done by me and other members of the Facebook group of the same name. DILDA in Juba is a private NGO which has existed since around 2006 with about 60 dues-paying members, all of them Dinkas and citizens of South Sudan, and it is registered as an NGO with the South Sudanese government; the Facebook group of the same name has existed for about a year and has 12,800 members, the overwhelming majority of whom do not live in South Sudan. Very few of the people participating in the Juba workshops are in the Facebook group (maybe 3 or 4). I uploaded all of the translations to the Incubator myself although I did not do the translations myself, because I have more consistent access to the internet in Israel than do the DILDA members in South Sudan, because I wanted to regularize the orthography according to the conventions we agreed on at the workshops, and because I did not realize that this would create the impression that I had done all of the translations myself. There is some urgency to get this Wikipedia approved and on the internet in the next week or two. Until now all of DILDA's activities have been in Juba, because this is the effectively the only city in South Sudan and because this is the only place where members of the different dialect groups live together. However, May 1 to May 15 of this year, a number of DILDA members and I will be traveling around South Sudan to meet representatives of the state governments (there are 10 Dinka-speaking states) to talk to them about the organization and its work and to begin to coordinate our activities with the work of the state governments. It has been our hope that we will be able to show them the Dinka Wikipedia so that they will understand that our work is serious and that the Dinka language is being developed so as to be used in a wide variety of functions, so that it can and should be used in more functions and not excluded from government and education in favor of English (only a tiny majority of Dinkas can function in English (perhaps 2% of them), while Dinka is spoken by about 4 million people). Dinkas are in principle very supportive of the idea of using their language for all written functions but they are simply not aware that this is possible because they do not now about DILDA's activities. The trip around South Sudan was planned at this time so as to come as soon as possible after we completed the translations of 100 articles in March and before the rains begin in South Sudan in June and make traveling around the country effectively impossible until next year. It is therefore very important that the Dinka Wikipedia be approved as quickly as possible. Thank you very much for your help and best wishes, John Myhill John Myhill Professor of Linguistics Department of English Language and Literature University of Haifa Mt. Carmel, Haifa, 31905 Israel

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Re: [Langcom] Training for AffCom members
by Satdeep Gill 31 May '17

31 May '17

Hi Amir and everyone else, I am really sorry for this email. This is my mistake that this email got into this mailing list. I was supposed to send it to the affcom mailing list. Apologies once again. Regards Satdeep Gill Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee > On 31-May-2017, at 2:57 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > --001a114303e0abfd280550cc6e54 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Some details about context are needed here. Let me guess some background: > > * Satdeep is also on the Affiliations committee. > * The Language committee is a group in the Wikimedia world that the > Affiliations committee recognizes in one way or another. > * The Affiliations committee is trying to figure out whether it can help > groups in the Wikimedia world in by providing training materials. > > Is that correct? Anything to add? > > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni =C2=B7 =D7=90=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=A8 =D7=90=D6= > =B1=D7=9C=D6=B4=D7=9

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Training for AffCom members
by Satdeep Gill 31 May '17

31 May '17

Hi everyone, We need to know what books or what trainings might be useful for the members of the Committee ? We need to finalize this as soon as possible. Regards Satdeep Gill Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee

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