Please let me restate a couple of key points about my suggestion that people seem not to have picked up:
* I have not proposed this as a substitute for a community's trying to get its code changed. This is intended to be a workaround in the event that is not possible.
* I explicitly stated that the requirement remain that an ISO 639–3 code exists. If a language has no ISO 639–3 code, it does not get an Incubator test, and it does not get a subdomain project. Period.
* I am quite sensitive to the fact that we don't want to make independent judgments as to what is or is not a language. So no code, no test. That does not change.
* This is only intended for cases where the community itself has a code already, but finds its code offensive. It's up to LangCom to decide whether the request is legitimate or frivolous. I would assume that LangCom would take a pretty narrow view of this, requiring there to be some well-established history behind the request. I wouldn't presume to tell you what that has to look like, but perhaps at minimum there has to have been a request to SIL to change the code first, even if that request was denied.
* Based on the rules above, I see no possibility of a sustained flood of applications from groups that lack a language code. If there is briefly such a flood, it will become clear quickly that such applications will be summarily denied, and that will take care of that.
* If there are more requests from groups whose existing codes are based on exonyms that would prefer a change—but the request goes no farther than a preference–just say no.
Thank you for listening.
Steven
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With all due respect, would you mind saying why? Please keep in mind the following, from my perspective as someone who is at the same time (a) not a member of LangCom, but (b) very active in managing Incubator on a day-to-day basis.
* In doing this, nobody would be changing the requirement that a language must have an ISO 639–3 code in order to be approved (or in order to have a test on Incubator). The question of the existence of the code and question of the use of the code in our projects do not have to be the same question.
* I see the Mapuche test projects as having been pretty inactive for a while. I don't know if that's simply because there is no interest in the native-speaker community now, or because the community finds the idea of editing under this code offensive.
* It's not for me to decide whether the community should find the code offensive. Nor am I taking sides as to whether anybody is or is not racist, or is or is not perpetuating anything inappropriate. I'm simply interested in running an experiment to see whether the community would be willing to get more involved on Incubator under a different code. Because, like it or not, evidently the community itself finds the code offensive.
* It's easy enough to test the idea in Incubator now without messing anything else up. I do this by creating redirects on the wiki from all the W?/arn pages to W?/qmp pages. Nothing else would change for present. Nobody would even have to change any underlying master redirects yet:
* arn.wikipedia.org (presumably) redirects to incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/arn, which would then redirect using the wiki markup to incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/qpm
I'm not saying you're wrong to oppose this idea, but would you mind explaining why? Thanks.
Steven
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Hoi,
I am dead set against it.
Thanks,
GerardM
Gerard and I were talking today about this issue. Here is the proposal
to be added into the LPP if accepted. Gerard's parts are related to
the traditional LangCom requirements, my parts are about the
organizations. Feel free to fix my English, add whatever you think
it's important for the amendment itself etc. (Asaf, Carlos, you are
encouraged to give your input in relation to the organizational part.)
Note that this proposal assumes that both Wikimedia and non-Wikimedia
organizations would be able to propose a project for fast approval.
* * *
Fast approval assumes that the Language committee would approve
previously eligible first Wikimedia project in particular language
under certain conditions without necessity for the project to pass the
process inside of Incubator (which usually lasts at least six months,
but likely a couple of years).
The main condition for fast approval is officially expressed support
by particular organization, which would guarantee that the project
would be viable for the next two years.
Organization has to have the following attributes:
* Officially incorporated organization inside of the country where
significant population of speakers of the target language live.
* Annual and strategic plan.
* Track record of successfully finished projects.
* Commitment to transparent work.
To do that, organization has to do the following:
* Translate 500 most common MediaWiki messages in the target language
to immediately show its commitment. (NOTE: I think that few hours of
translation job is reasonable immediate requirement; we could discuss
about it.)
* Present to the Language committee the proposal for the project. That
could be a program of editathons in particular area, targeting
speakers of one or more languages without any Wikimedia project.
* Give formal guarantee that the Wikimedia-related work with
particular linguistic group will last at least two years.
Hi,
Shortly after the Berlin meeting I promised to email the Language committee
about internationalization software updates, so here's the first one.
This one is about several recent and upcoming changes in the "Special
characters" toolbar, which is available in both source and visual editing.
In case you didn't know, to see in Visual Editing, click the "Ω" toolbar
button, and in source editing, click "Special characters".
Recently, Canadian Aboriginal characters were added to it. This was done by
TPT, a volunteer best known for contributions to the software on
Wikisource. The Canadian Aboriginal characters are in the end of the list,
for not particular reason—that's simply where TPT put them.
The reason TPT added them is that the Wikimedia Canada chapter is doing
some work with native languages of Canada. They were looking for somebody
to help them with that. I helped with translatewiki.net configuration, and
TPT volunteered to help with the toolbar.
This possibly begs the question why aren't more writing systems there. For
example, Tamil is there, but why not Kannada or Armenian? I have no idea.
As far as I know, this toolbar was never properly planned, and characters
were added quite randomly. If anybody can suggest a good plan of adding
more scripts (but not too much, because it does waste bandwidth), I'll be
happy to hear it.
Another tiny change, which I just submitted for review is the addition of
single angle quotation marks (‹›) and angle brackets (⟨⟩) to the "Symbols"
area of the same toolbar. What other symbols can you think will be useful
there? (Maybe I should start by asking for a list of the most common
characters in Wikimedia projects to do it in a data-driven way...)
Thanks!
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hi,
I received a few requests to check the status of Western Balochi incubator
(bgn).
The code bgn is legit, the translation of most-used messages is complete,
and the activity in the incubator is reasonable. A lot of pages are
written; many are just one or two lines long, but I don't think that I mind.
Do we want to verify that it's the right language?
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Dear Language Com,
Please have a look on
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No One member in Lang Com interested In Beta Redirection Problem. So I
Requested here LangCom to take action or Acts upon This Topic. We made
content. But without Redirection the Content are Useless. Now HIndi
WIkiversity is on 3rd rank in Beta Wikiversity. At the end of day I will
make it on 2nd Rank. When I was worked on Hindi Wikiversity. Only 3-5
Articles were exist. Now It have 400 around pages.
Thank You, I Will Believe that Lang Com Take Any Action.